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Hundreds rally in Hanford on tax day

"If the government can keep us ignorant and apathetic, they win," a woman's voice boomed across the park. "Yeah!" cried an answering chorus.

And everybody applauded and cheered as loud as they could -- the kind of noise that meant they all understood.

The scene was a packed, raucous rally behind the old County Courthouse in downtown Hanford Wednesday, where more than 300 people, some waving American flags and carrying anti-tax signs, showed up to protest taxes, government overspending and elected officials who don't return letters or phone calls.

The "TEA Party" event was one of several in the Valley, including in Bakersfield, Merced and Fresno.

TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already" and was inspired by the Boston Tea Party tax revolt of 1773, when colonists dumped tea into Boston Harbor to protest a tax on tea, and taxation without representation.




A woman was seen wearing tea bags as earrings. Participants were served ice tea.

"More Tax Less Freedom" one sign read. "No Public Money for Private Failure" read another.

Nationally, the rallies were promoted by conservative advocacy groups such as the American Family Association.

In Kings County, a few political figures attended what was promoted as a bipartisan event, including Hanford City Councilman Dan Chin. A youth Republican group was there to represent Assemblyman Danny Gilmore.

But many people in the crowd were frustrated local taxpayers -- people like Randy Arnold, a union bricklayer from Hanford.

"I just feel that the stimulus package and the taxes they're talking about are really going to burden the American people and they are going to drag the economy down, not up," said Arnold, carrying his 1-year-old grandson, Kade.

Arnold's concern and frustration extends for the future generation.

"They are going to be putting the debt on him," Arnold said. "It's affecting his life ... The next generation and the kids not even born are already in debt. This is ridiculous."

Chris and Pam Fry of Visalia were among those who came out with elaborate signs to join the protest.

The Frys, who own their own construction business, shared their frustration.

"It's a big struggle to be self-employed. We feel all the taxes and fees. It's hard to achieve the American dream when you're having to work to get most of your money taken from you," said Pam Fry.

Like Arnold, the Frys oppose the federal stimulus and bailouts.

"It's a stimulus for the government, not the people," Chris Fry said. Pam Fry added: "Instead of having a trickle-down economy, we're having a trickle-up poverty. If they want a stimulus, let us spend our own money."

Wednesday's event was being organized by a grassroots effort comprised of a loosely organized group led by Sherill Calhoun, an advocate of many causes -- including the region's meth problems -- and wife of Kings County District Attorney Ronald Calhoun.

She hoped to rally support for the larger cause of encouraging regular people to speak out against government spending.

"Whether Republican or Democrat, we're facing issues that impact us all, our pocket book and our way of life," Calhoun told the crowd. "The blame I put on first is us. Many of us have become complacent as if the people we've elected have been doing the right thing for us. Certainly they tell us that when they want to get elected, but that's not always the case ...

"Look at the way they are handling the budget and debt. Things that we know as common sense are not being taken care of properly," Calhoun said. "We need to get off our desk and express this now."

Chriss Dickman, a retired teacher and U.S. Navy veteran residing in Lemoore, did just that.

"We're turning into a Third-World country," Dickman said. "Our quality of life is going down. Jobs and services are disappearing. Even those who are marginally poor can't get Medicaid, and fall through the cracks."

Dickman was among dozens of participants who took the microphone to speak their mind in front of the crowd. She said she is against poor representation, not taxes per se.

"It's not that I don't want to pay taxes," she said. "I just want to make sure our government officials are working in the way they should be, and we don't see it happening."

The reporter can be reached at 583-2429.

(April 16, 2007)

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ronk6ur wrote on Apr 16, 2009 2:08 PM:

" And what do rally's like this accomplish?

Like I've said before in this comment area:
You really don't know what kind of politician
you elect to office until after he/she is elected.

Who decided Pelosi was going to be Speaker?
She is a total nut job.

You think politicians will vote for term limits?

Sorry to be so negative but folks, thats the way
things are have gone for a long time.

It's time for a third party. "

SJT wrote on Apr 16, 2009 4:29 PM:

" The sign reads Welcome Back Carter. A bi-partisan rally you say? Kudos to the Sentinel photographer to capture the true meaning of the Hanford hate-fest. I see there were a lot worse at other rallies. Bi-partisan, my butt. Absolutely sickening. "

nhomburg wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:25 PM:

" Why isn't anyone blaming Bush for this mess??? How the hell is this Obama's fault???? We were in this mess way before he came to office. How can you expect for Obama to fix this in 4 months??? The jobs that are being lost right now are a direct result of President Bush and his awful sense of policy and spending. Obama is trying something...he needs time people. This is not his fault, and yes, maybe he will makes things worse.....but maybe he will make things better. I know I am super excited about my tax break for next year thats for sure!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!! "

Jarred wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:45 PM:

" While the Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation, it had a specific context: unfair corporate taxation. England passed a law eliminating the taxes the British East India Company had to pay on tea sold to the colonies, thereby making their wares much cheaper than those sold by the mom-and-pop stores in the colonies. Replace the East India Company with Wal-Mart, and have you a good idea of why they revolted. Don't believe me? Google the 'Tea Act.' I dare you to read it.

Fast forward to now. Ninety-five percent of Americans will be paying less in taxes than they did last year. LESS TAXES! The remaining five percent will be paying as much taxes as they did several years ago. And guess what: I didn't see Wall Street executives out in the streets protesting. Did you see Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, the Waltons, Mayor Bloomberg, Michael Dell, or Paul Allen out there? Why aren't they on TV complaining about their high taxes? "

Armonian wrote on Apr 17, 2009 7:28 AM:

" nhomburg: Can you say $300 TRILLION? I cannot even fathom spending that much! Bush did not do this, your beloved Obama did! I do not like what Bush did, but I certainly do not like Obama. I don't like the way our government is anymore. I think both parties are doing wrong. I think it is time for revolt against the government and removal of all incumbents. These incumbents will not go without kicking and screaming. "

hnf wrote on Apr 17, 2009 7:52 AM:

" Where were these people when George W. Bush was spending the BUDGET SURPLUS Clinton left him and running up the biggest deficit in US history? Where were these people when George W Bush financed 2 wars using debt - and decided to not count it as part of the budget/deficit? Are they just now paying attention? Or are they a bunch of sheep following the latest republican ideology shift? At least the current spending isn't going to torture people. "

Pete wrote on Apr 17, 2009 9:11 AM:

" When I headed down to the TEA Party I expected maybe 100 people, but when I got there and saw the TERMENDOUS turnout I was amazed! Talked to several people who want to get us out of the mess Bush got us into and that Obama is making worse. The Obama supporters were very embarrassed as they got educated. Some found out a stimulus package might be good if you have the money, but if you have to borrow that money, it's not financially wise. "

jeff wrote on Apr 17, 2009 10:45 AM:

" The tea parties were/are a complete joke.

1. The tax rates being protested won't affect most if any of the people who participated.
2. The tax rates are 10% lower than they were under Reagan.
3. Republicans have representation in government.
4. Many of the parties are protesting wasteful spending by pouring enormous amounts of perfectly fine tea into bodies of water thereby wasting it - see the irony?
5. None of these people cared about wasteful spending and excessive government when Republicans were doing it.
6. Most Republican politicians are taking stimulus money.
7. The original 'Boston Tea Party' was against tyranny of the majority, the Republicans are hardly a minority and the tea parties carried sponsors like Fox News (A huge million dollar corporation).
8. Most proponents were lazy, unmotivated and preferred to simply watch them on TV instead of actually showing up.

I could go on but I'm running out of space. "

RobertD wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:13 PM:

" SJT--Did you ask every atendee their political affiliation? Did you consider that the actions of Obama and a Democratically controlled Congress are reminiscent of 1977-1980 and a President named Jimmy Carter? And how does a sign saying "Welcome Back Carter" have anything to do with a hate-fest (I bet the SPLC told you they were)? Did you consider the fact that those attending such rallies are as angry with many Republican repsresentatives as they are with the Democrats? Did it at all occur to you that maybe these protests were much more anti-partisan than bi-partisan? I may be wrong but could it be that you like the statist, progressive direction the current party in power is moving? I only ask these questions out of curiosity. "

RobertD wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:51 PM:

" In response to Jarred's April 16 post:

The Tea Act of 1773 did lower the tea tax but not remove it. The act also gave the East India Tea Company a monopoly on the tea trade, cutting out all colonial merchants. While the East India tea would be cheaper the colonists took the moral highground by protesting not only the tax (though reduced) but also the elimination of competiton and repressive control of colonial trade by the English government.

Fast forward to now. Hard-working Americans within that 95% getting lower taxes NOW are taking the moral high ground by protesting because they know the government bailouts to big business (like the East India Company 236 years ago) and excessive spending (stimulus) will lead to far higher taxes for everyone in the FUTURE! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 17, 2009 3:36 PM:

" To: Jarred wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:45 PM:

There is only one flaw as I see it in yours and Obama's plan. 80% of those receiving the tax cuts either weren't employed before or are unemployed thanks to Obama and won't be paying any taxes. You can't tax an income that doesn't exist any longer. Of course you are correct that is LESS THAN THEY PAID LAST YEAR, less clothes, less food, less necessities of life. Thank You Obama.

"Ninety-five percent of Americans will be paying less in taxes than they did last year. LESS TAXES"! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 17, 2009 3:37 PM:

" To: Jarred wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:45 PM:

With their new taxes, they can't afford a corporate jet or to purchase air time to complain!

"Did you see Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, the Waltons, Mayor Bloomberg, Michael Dell, or Paul Allen out there? Why aren't they on TV complaining about their high taxes? " "

SuziQ wrote on Apr 17, 2009 5:34 PM:

" Poor nhomburg, your tax breaks are already in effect, haven't you noticed them?!! "

SJT wrote on Apr 18, 2009 8:45 AM:

" Really was hoping new bloggers would appear in this thread, but no such luck; just the usual set of wingnut shills who spend probably 60 percent of their days posting BS ad infinitum.

Robert, I haven't time to re-educate you here - I have a full-time job, so come to an Obama re-education camp sometime hosted by former Bush Press Sec'y, Scott McClellan and former Nixon WH Council, John Dean. Agenda includes mandatory viewing of MSNBC from 2:00 p.m. through 8:00 p.m. Bathroom breaks will be permitted during commercials, but must be strapped in seat before next segment. Then we'll flip the channel to Jon Stewart's The Daily Show for some more liberal, leftwing, republican hatin', gun-takin', God hatin', Gay & black lovin' liberal-secularism. Jon's guest will be yet another friggin' "educated" economist explaining free market principles and how re-investing in the nation's infrastructure provides jobs (careful, your head may explode at this point). The next day will be all C-SPAN (both Senate/House channels) so you can compare similarities with what you learned the day prior. Finally, a chip inserted under your skin will prevent further Fox viewing. Hope it helps. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 18, 2009 2:28 PM:

" To: hnf wrote on Apr 17, 2009 9:52 AM:
"At least the current spending isn't going to torture people. "

You try living on a fixed income and see if every tax increase or price increase doesn't directly affect your quality of life. At a time when senior citizens are choosing between food and medications, this is nothing but torture. So how you can so blatantly say it isn't is beyond me. You seem to think everyone has oodles and gobs of money to give to the Obama give-a-way program. Otherwise known as the stimulus package. Senior citizens get a $250 stimulus, that won't even cover the increase in gas tax for the year, not to mention increased sales tax and now double vehicle registration fees. Obama giveith and Arnold takes it away, so where is the benefit? What a joke the entire administration is, they can't even pay their taxes until they are selected as civil servants, then they pay thousands in back taxes. That you don't find ironic, even the guy in charge of fixing the economy hadn't paid his taxes. "

Skip wrote on Apr 19, 2009 9:24 AM:

" SJT, do those chips hurt when they put them in? What else do they prevent you from learning? "

SJT wrote on Apr 19, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Sarcasm, Skip. "

Skip wrote on Apr 19, 2009 4:49 PM:

" Does sarcasm mean "sad, but true"? "

SJT wrote on Apr 19, 2009 8:09 PM:

" It depends. Skip. Since Dean had to go to prison on behalf of the corrupt Republican president he served under, he's likely a bit more rough than Mc Clellan. Scott will not likely have to serve prison time for his admission of guilt, doing the bidding of the corrupt Republican president he served under, so he might be somewhat gentler. It's funny, isn't it, how Dean ended up serving time for perjuring himself for Nixon, yet the same cannot be said for I. Scooter Libby for perjuring himself on behalf of Cheney/Bush? Perhaps it's no wonder Dean is especially bitter at the GOP. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:23 AM:

" to all of you "liberals" out there that keep asking where were us "conservatives" during Bush's spending? How quickly you all forget, we are the party that admits to mistakes and errors, whereas you all deny until the smoking gun is uncovered. Go back and read what all of us were saying during Bush's first stimulus package. We were all saying the only people that it was going to help was China as "everyone" was running out buying bigger TV's. I instead try to help keep some of it in the states by spending it on my summer vacation. Now what did you do? Didn't hear about you refusing that money from such a dastardly "Republican" such as Bush. As long as it lines your pocket you are happy. I didn't support Bush's bailout either. Why help out dishonest people when people like myself and WDF have been faithful all of these years paying our dues as we went along. "

RobertD wrote on Apr 20, 2009 12:22 PM:

" SJT--I really thought you were above the name-calling, sarcasm crowd. You tend to offer at least intellectual responses. All I did was ask some worthy questions (that you claim is BS) and you respond saying I need "re-education." Don't get me wrong--it was very funny (ha! ha!), I get it. I just find it odd that you are hoping for "new bloggers" (assuming they would offer what, I am not sure) and then launch into a juvenile, sarcastic attack on me. In response to your one real point--I too agree that genuine infrastructure improvements is a good use of tax money and will create jobs, but the stimulus plan and budget do so much more that is wasteful. Wow! I agreed with you and my head didn't explode. "

jeff wrote on Apr 20, 2009 1:48 PM:

" Fred,

That fixed income doesn't include things like Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security does it? If so I guess no one told you but that makes you a socialist. "

Dandre wrote on Apr 20, 2009 5:00 PM:

" Neil Cavuto said there was at least double that.....LOL "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 20, 2009 11:50 PM:

" To: jeff wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:48 PM:

I think someone has misleaded you Jeff, I earned those benefits in a free market America in a democratic society. So no that does not make me a socialist. By the by I also paid for your grandparents benefits, while I earned my own, just so you know what you have to look forward to.

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Above are deffinitions of socialist, the last applies, I did equal work for equal pay, so that means I couldn't possibly be a socialist. But it sure sounds like what Obama wants for this nation. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 20, 2009 11:56 PM:

" To: jeff wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:48 PM:
Are you gonna have to back up to get any of your social security checks, Jeff? If the government would give me what I paid into Social Security I could live quite comfortably, thank you very much. You have to remember I worked in excess of 35+ years for what I receive, yet you want to make it sound like some welfare check from the county. Nice try, but once again no cigar, I earned my benefits, just like everyone else did and you are today. That is if you are gainfully employed? If you want to speak of socialist programs let's talk about Welfare for Illegal Immigrants. That my friend is socialism at its' best. Along with WIC, healthy families and all the other programs we pay for, I raised my son without benefit of those programs. He turned out quite well. We live in a weaker society now than we did before, just like the society I grew up in, was weaker than my fathers. Sometimes, I think that is wrong. There is too many freebies. "

Skip wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:03 AM:

" Now that I know why Dean is so bitter, I understand why Congress is spending all this money! "

SJT wrote on Apr 21, 2009 9:46 PM:

" Which Congress, Skip? Can you not say it, that the Republican Congress under W had grossly outspent all previous Congresses? Afraid to say that the federal budget deficit was close to $300 billion when Clinton took office and had a surplus of more than a $200 billion when he left? Afraid to say the Bush Congress created another $4Trillion debt after taking he took office, raising the total debt before leaving office at nearly $10 Trillion? Where's the outrage, Skip? "

Skip wrote on Apr 22, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Congress is Congress. They have and they are spending too much!! The surplus that the Republican Congress left Bush after Clinton was great, but they spent it. I wish you Dems would ask the person sending you your talking points to send you something intelligent. "

SJT wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:27 PM:

" For you, Skip, I'll revise my post:

Three Republican Congresses under their Republican president accumulated a $9 Trillion nat'l debt during that 6 years - yet no tea parties (perhaps because Fox News Ch. didn't really report this stuff then).

That better? "

jeff wrote on Apr 23, 2009 9:01 AM:

" Sorry Fred, you're participating in a Socialist program. "

bigdogit wrote on Apr 23, 2009 10:34 AM:

" Let's see Bush get's us into $1 Trillion worth of debt....

Obama get's elected and his big plan to get us out of debt is to spend an additional $3 Trillion...

Does this make sense on any level? "

Skip wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM:

" I did hear the national debt from Rush Limbaugh, the Republican leader, and also from the Democrats leader, Keith Olbermann. So, I guess it's OK to spend all this money now. This is real intelligent reasoning! "

SJT wrote on Apr 23, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Normally, bold actions taken by a president to avert economic chaos (regardless whether inherited by his predecessor) would be welcomed by Americans and most do in this case; if the president succeeds, America succeeds. The party of NO wants him to fail (they say as much).

Bigdogit, couldn't help but notice your Bush spending number is off substantially. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 23, 2009 5:21 PM:

" To: SJT wrote on Apr 22, 2009 11:27 PM:

Republicans 9 trillion in six years, Obama 3 trillion in 3 months, yeah I see what you mean. Obama is out of control SJT. "

SJT wrote on Apr 25, 2009 8:00 AM:

" $3T represents a FY budget - monies to be spent from Oct. 2009 thru Sept. 2010 on fixing our crumbling infrastructure, bridges, roads, building high-speed rail, education (actually fund Bush's NCLB), increased defense and the new energy policy (which creates new long-term jobs). You know, that which was neglected over recent years so the millionaires could get their tax cuts (which was to have trickled down to the working-class).

Bigdogit, your Bush debt numbers are off substantially. "

Paul wrote on Apr 27, 2009 4:09 PM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 20, 2009 11:23 AM:

"we are the party that admits to mistakes and errors,"

Like nixon. he admitted to watergate the first instant it came up right??

And bush with this growing torture issue right???

Please your party doesn't admit to anything more than any other person caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

I guess that is why the republicans are losing members faster that the other parties, right, because they are "more" honest than all others combined. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:41 PM:

" To Paul,
At least Nixon resigned, but Clinton continued even after he was impeached for lying under oath. Yes it did take awhile before Nixon came clean, but at least he finally did. You all ran Bush SR. out of the presidency for his "no new taxes", but I don't see all of you doing the same to Obama for every campaign promise that he has reversed course on.
Do some simple math for me, if I increase the national debt, and I decrease the funds that I am bringing in, then how do adding two negatives make a positive? Someone somewhere is going to have to pay for this current debt, and downsizing companies is not the way.
If and when the national infrastructure starts being fixed that should help the economy, but in the mean time I still see nothing but potholes! "

Paul wrote on Apr 28, 2009 2:02 PM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 28, 2009 2:41 PM:


"At least Nixon resigned, but Clinton continued even after he was impeached for lying under oath.

I believe that he was brought up of charges but I don't think HE WAS IMPEACHED!! And I think that nixon resigned only after ford told him "I'm going to pardon you." I'd come clean to!!!

And as for "Obama for every campaign promise that he has reversed course on." give me an example of one. Maybe then I can show you that the Republicans (the party of "NO") are behind every thing that has stopped Obama. We are facing the swine flu and we don't have a director for the CDC because republicans have stalled the confirmation of Sebelius because of her PERSONAL stance on abortion. Specter and collins cut 800 million from flu shots because it was "pork." That's ironic now.

Speaking of specter, GOD now he's a Democrat.

The only party in American "LOSING GROUND" are the TRUTHFUL republicans. ABE would be shaking his head.

As for the spending, nhg... every poll indicates that OBAMA has the support of the majority of REAL AMERICANS. "

Paul wrote on Apr 28, 2009 5:56 PM:

" "Do some simple math for me"

Simple math... is that like bushs "fuzzy math." If it is then that will be easy. You just keep borrowing. After all in the future we will all be dead.

You know nhg... there's more support for Obama than there was for bush. Every poll supports him on every issue.

The first bush got the boot after he won the 1st Iraq war. So go figure. He made a promise of NO NEW TAXES, Obama I believe said everything was on the table. So I'm getting what I voted for. Someone HAS TO FIX bushs mess. Bush 1 was VOTED out of office not "RUN OUT"

Rush has blamed everything and anything on Obama. First, the pirates, the the earthquake in Mexico, and now the flu. That's Obamas fault.

Do you see how republicans are painting themselves into a corner??? And now you have them jumping ship.

The end of the republican party is at hand. Teabaggers Party. And Newt will be on the first ballot. To use georges quote, "bring them on." "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:52 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Apr 28, 2009 4:02 PM:

Guess you haven't read the latest polls, not surprisingly, I might add. You always seem three steps behind: May I emphasize the word Detailed.

"A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives".

"Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date".

Is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001.
Once again you are trying to carry that mule that represents your party on your back, instead of the mule leading your party in smarts. Although might be improvement. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:55 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 28, 2009 2:41 PM:

Don't believe Paul, the polls represent just what you and I know they do. The favored son is losing ground and doesn't know what to do about it. Threatening Senators who don't support his bailout package is not how to regain ground, that is for sure. That Senators vote can hurt more than anything Obama, can do to that Senator. Especially with Obama's approval rating starting to tank. We all knew it would happen, get out the party favors, they may have won the election, but we were right about their candidates lack of ability to lead. "

Pete wrote on Apr 29, 2009 10:45 AM:

" Two US Presidents have been IMPEACHED, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, both Democrats! This is a fact that the Libs can't change no matter how embarrassed they are. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 29, 2009 12:34 PM:

" to Paul, please revisit your history books:
"RESOLVED that William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate"
website: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/clinton.htm
So you see the House of Representatives did indeed impeach William Clinton. But he just like Andrew Jackson was not impeached by the Senate. "

SuziQ wrote on Apr 29, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Gee, Paul, I'm not that old and I remember watching the Congress IMPEACH Bill Clinton!! "

Paul wrote on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:55 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 28, 2009 2:41 PM:

The favored son is losing Especially with Obama's approval rating starting to tank. We all knew it would happen, get out the party favors, they may have won the election, but we were right about their candidates lack of ability to lead. "

wdf... if you don't want to know what is going on in the REAL WORLD so be it. I've always thought of you as a person that sees only what you want to see.

Even fox has said that he is doing well "but" therer is always a "but" with them as wdf, there is with you. "

Paul wrote on Apr 29, 2009 6:01 PM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 29, 2009 2:34 PM:

So you see the House of Representatives did indeed impeach William Clinton. But he just like Andrew Jackson was not impeached by the Senate. "

The house. ok he was impeached by the house.

However, I assumed you meant by the house and
Senate. My bad.

But you see the article is talking about TEA BAGGING and some how with you, wdf and ali, EVERY blog ALWAYS comes back to Bill.

Can we talk about something NEW!!!! Like the Republican Party and its end, Abandon ship. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 29, 2009 8:32 PM:

" to Paul,

Check out the following if you dare, the truth is out there!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_fact_check_obama

Of course this is from Yahoo and the AP, I am sure that you consider them to be media of the right, is there any news outlet that you do considers posts the truth? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:14 AM:

" to Paul, how about some more facts:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/44.president/first.100.days/national.report.card/

But then again you probably consider CNN as a right wing agenda media outlet.

Strange that more men give Obama a F grade rather than a A, and the women just barely had more A's than F's. And he has only been at it for the Honeymoon of 100 days. Now the charm is wearing off and "We the People" are seeing the real Obama.

Obama is really stepping up to the plate by making Chrysler file for bankruptcy. Bailed out the people that gave him donations, but now refuses to step in and save a company that creates more work for Americans than any bank does. Think of all of the parts suppliers that are going to go down with Chrysler, all of the dealerships, and so on.

Obama's fetish is getting more tax money from those that earn more than 250,000, but take a look at all of the tax deductions that he included on his tax return, including University of Illinois fees for his two daughters, and all of his "foreign earned income". "

Loanman wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:57 AM:

" I too remember watching Clinton get impeached, but he didn't get convicted by the Senate (would have taken 60 votes), so he got to stay in office. I also remember when the fixed interest rate for a VA loan got to 17.5% because of Jimmy Carter (and he has to be the worse President ever)! "

Paul wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:44 AM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:14 AM:



Strange that more men give Obama a F grade rather than a A, and the women just barely had more A's than F's. And he has only been at it for the Honeymoon of 100 days. Now the charm is wearing off and "We the People" are seeing the real Obama.

By more men giving him an "F" you must be referring to hannity and all those others on fair and balanced fox, right? hannity gave him an "F-" and then started to talk about him as a socialist... and i turned him off. OLD, OLD,OLD.

You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that Obama is crashing and buring. I prefer to live in the here and now and in the world I live now the MAJORITY OF REAL AMERICANS think VERY HIGHLY of OBAMA.

The republicans kicked out Specter and now they are after Snowe and all that is doing is GIVING the Dem. more power. Pretty soon only you, wdf and ali, oh and of course newt will be in your party. "

Pete wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:08 PM:

" Hey Paul, if Hannity gives Obama a F-. what do your heroes (Kieth Olbermann and Rachael Meadows) give him? "

Skip wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Just saw a report on CNN saying that Obama is taking advantage of the "Clueless and Gullible Voter". We see a lot of those voters posting on these discussions, don't we? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 30, 2009 3:25 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:14 AM

Foreign earned income, he and Scott Tucker, must of had a meeting while Obama was in Europe. Scott filled him in on the 86,000 dollar rule, I bet.

We change parties in the White House and nothing really changes. The rich get richer the poor get poorer and the middle class disappears. The only difference now is the Demoncrats are the one's filling their pockets and their friends pockets, their friends, friends pockets and so on.
Obama doesn't care abour your status, because he only wants two, he is moving the middle class to that of the poor and of course the rich take care of the rich. He isn't redistributing the rich man's money, he is redistributing the middle classes money. You don't see the rich going without a new purchase of a new automobile. You don't see the rich scaling back entertainment in choice of groceries. You don't see the rich doing without anything, they just have to be more liquid than in the past. That is why the Stock Market is in such poor shape now. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Apr 30, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Paul put at least four years of service in to your country and then we will talk. Four years, where you must sacrifice and be away from your friends and family. Four years, of working for slave wages when your friends are buying homes and new cars. Four years, of sacrificing all your personal needs for the needs of your country. Four years, of taking orders and following them, because it is the right thing to do. When you've accomplished that we will talk. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 2, 2009 5:37 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Apr 29, 2009 7:55 PM:

We have for the first time in our history a Cabinet member who forgot to pay his taxes, until such time as he was going through the gleaning process for his current post. Then he mysteriously remembers twenty four thousand dollars, in back taxes, he forgot he didn't pay. Not only did he not pay them when due he didn't pay any penalties or interest because they were so late now. Do you think IRS would let you get away with a bonafide mistake that large and not gig you for interest and penalties. If you do, I want to tie my horse at your coral for the next year. Of course I won't pay any fees for you feeding him and brushing him and combing him and otherwise taking care of him. That you must understand and if you take me to court then I will pay you years later without benefit of interest or penalties. This you should be agreeable with if you can let the current Cabinet Member off the same way. "




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