Of course its on the rise wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM:
" the new welfare...for those on welfare to work programs and other social aid programs...how many of these graduates have diplomas to move on out of the system and are still enrolled on the books at the local community college? When you go there...you can go on finacial aids dime and hang out on the benches pulling a low C and call it part of a learning disablity...it's a financially lucrative game for those just under the radar of con's. "
N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:29 PM:
" You guys seriously reported on West hills college??? Wow! Are you starting to realize that's it's 7 miles away instead of COS being 20+ miles away. Maybe the rest of Hanford will finally take their noses out of the air and realize that there is a great community college right down the street ad stop promoting a college that is 20+ miles away with no local ties except for the bond that we are stuck with to pay for their vocational portion of their college. "
ag mom wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:45 PM:
" Well I know that west hills is closer, but when my daughter went to speak with them about curriculum, they told her that they didn't offer what she was interested in (ag education). Although they do have the GE classes necessary, they basically discouraged her from attending because she would have to take some ag classes as well at the JC level that they don't offer but COS does. So off she drives to Visalia-thank goodness for car pools "
Education Overkill wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:39 PM:
" With West Hills expecting 7500 students this year and COS expecting 13,000, that equates to over 20,000 students in just one year. I can only hope they all can find gainful employment when they move out of our area! "
from hanford wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:28 PM:
" From hanford (central), West Hills is more like 12 miles away. Depending on the classes (as WH is still growing) depends on where it is more benificial for one. I haven't been keeping tabs on the bus service to Visalia, but at least the public bus is going for later times to WH. That helps with this high gas prices, for 60 dollars a month for unlimited riding, cheaper still if one is only going over for one or two days/nights. "
W.O.W. wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:03 AM:
" The higher the educational level in a community the higher the standards of living become!!! Finally, we will be getting a pool of more talented and educated work force from which to choose.
John Zumwalt had a hand in this and his contribution to this community will become his legacy. Our community will forever be changed for the better! "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:18 AM:
" N. Hanford Resident: Last time I checked, COS was already in Hanford. "
To Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:38 PM:
" After reading a few postings by you, you're beginning to sound like John Zumwalt himself. Hmmm... West Hills is 7 miles away from 12th Ave. the new center of Hanford. COS is 23 miles from the same place. Yes, there is a campus in Hanford. If you want more than a GE class, good luck, better make the drive at $4.50/gal. or better yet, take the KART bus to Visalia and stay all day long. with no chance of night classes. West Hills rocks. "
N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:25 PM:
" COS remains in Hanford because we keep supporting an OUTSIDE coleege in our town. It's time to face the facts that we are part of West hills district, not COS'. Maybe if we started supporting WHC more, their programs would expand. Hum . . . just like with COS. Support local. "
I agree wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:43 AM:
" Spport West Hills so we can stop paying for COS. West Hills is a great school and they likely would offer more if COS wasn't sucking up our dollars. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 19, 2008 4:54 PM:
" N. Hanford Resident: You are incorrect about districts. Hanford is in Ward 5 of the COS district. Hanford is not in the West Hills District, however, due to a state ruling WHC can claim the Hanford area for their planning. COS is building a new center here and that is a good thing. I have two kids in the state college system and getting classes is not fun. So the more facilities, the better. Demand is only going to get stronger in the future. "
Moving on to newer skills wrote on Jul 19, 2008 6:39 PM:
" the problem is the public doesn't realize they cannot create programs from one semester to the next...when the students need them....its a long process and can take up to two years...the curriculum is what it is.
Look how long the nursing program took to get off the ground. How many years has it been since the wanted a merge with Fresno State.
Another community college aspect was the long process to get from the portables to main campus. 15 years.
Well the need for education is great but start really with basic skills that no one really has to enter the higher education.
The charter schools are good ideas but they are really to aid the lack of skill parents who cannot give what their children need...after school programs...free lunches...cultural focus without them feeling stupid. "
DaTruth wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:57 PM:
" COS is in Hanford to stay... What do you think theyre building out on 13th Ave, right next to the new high school? COS will have a new campus right here in our backyard in just a year or so... "
N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 22, 2008 3:33 PM:
" Da Truth is the new COS campus is just for the Fire/Police academy and Nursing prereq's. Are you people forgetting this??? It won't be a location that offers a variety of classes. If you're lucky to get in to one of the few GE classes they offer (when they can sucker a teacher from Visalia to come over for a semester) that's great, but for the rest of us, I'm still supporting local - WHC. "
to N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 22, 2008 4:43 PM:
" I don't know how long you have lived here but Hanford has always been in the COS district and Lemoore is in the West Hills district. West Hills has graciously offered scholarships to Hanford students-but only the ones that have high GPA's-in order to entice better quallity students to their school. COS also offers dozens of scholarships to Hanford students but the scholarship office at the high schools doesn't let the seniors know about them for whatever reason (who knows what is going on in their minds). Anyway, I have spoken to board members and they told me that in addition to nursing and the fire academy, they will be offerering a full curriculum. I have nothing against West Hills Lemoore, but give COS their due. "
N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 22, 2008 6:17 PM:
" I am giving COS their due - every year when I'm paying my property tax. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 22, 2008 6:33 PM:
" N. Hanford: Phase I of the COS Hanford Center will have a large academic building with more in Phase II. It is not just a fire/police/nurse center. Check their website if you don't believe it.
COS has served the Hanford area for much longer than WHC. I rode a bus over to the Visalia campus in the 70's. WHC was a rinky-dink little college in Coalinga at that time. "
to N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM:
" So you'd rather just go to WHC and not have to pay to support it? That sounds like a welfare state to me. since you are paying property taxes on COS, why not take advantage of your well spent tax dollars? If you don't support the school, and it should fail to do well, you are still paying the taxes-so wouldn't it be in all of our best interests to try to make it successful? "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:03 AM:
" Carl,
That 'rinky dink little college' built that huge and modern educational complex right down the road in Lemoore.
The have a new registered professional nurse program also which is pretty rare for a rural campus setting as well as a psych-tech program.
Only well after West Hills was moving in to further meet the needs of Kings County did our neighbor in Tulare County decide to compete for student and state ADA dollars.
Sounds like sour grapes Carl; almost as if your alma mater didn't matter!
Anymore.
Now the property taxpayers (like me) are paying that bill for you, Carl.
Satisfied? "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:11 AM:
" Alejandro: I think I get it now. You want a nice new JC in the neighboring district you can use but not pay for. Nice! "
Scohlarships are given to anyone on aid wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:45 PM:
" at West HIlls College...and I don't believe they have high G.P.A.'s before they attend....as for when they are attending, some of "new-twist-on-welfare" consumers, have taken a single course over 4 or 5 times because they really have just poor skills and finally I think the educators get fed-up and just pass them on after try 3 or 4 attempts to do better.
That only applies to students with "so-called" learning disabilities...diagnosed by the endless strings of "quack/welfare friendly" doctors willing to sign a school document to that effect.
Many are getting and have been on that boat ride to receive those benefits as they are losing their welfare aid their children afforded them reach the age of 18 and a form aid is about to dry up.
Liberal political social aid, juggled, reworked to look new again and packaged by Congress for the American people to finance without question. "
Facts wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:39 PM:
" To scholarships given to anyone on aid.... Scholarships are not given to anyone on aid. Scholarships are given to students that have filled out an scholarship application and meet the criteria for a specific scholarship. There are committees put together to ensure fairness in the awarding. Not all students awarded have high GPA's, but they have proved that they have worked hard. As for taking a class three or four times, that doesn't happen very often. Community College aren't given credit for any student that takes a class more than twice. So most schools have a policy of repeatability of two times. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:00 PM:
" Wrong again, Carl.
I did not vote for a second community college - COS - to be built in the area with my tax dollars.
That 'rinky dink little college' built that huge and modern educational complex right down the road in Lemoore. Before COS even thought about building here I believe.
Why didn't you give WHC credit for that Carl?
Oh, that's right: you went to COS.
I now see the reason. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:30 PM:
" Alejandro: I'm not sure I understand your bitterness, Be that as it may, "your tax dollars" are now supporting a growing campus here in Hanford that is needed badly as is the campus in Lemoore. It is a win-win as I see it. All good. The two campuses in Hanford and Lemoore together don't add up to the Visalia campus so it is good we have both. No ned to commute to Visalia like I had to. The students in Kings COunty win. "
Repeat courses wrote on Jul 26, 2008 4:39 AM:
" the still get paid the aid...no matter if they have to repeat. It's about attendance.
You are thinking normal student scholarships. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 27, 2008 8:28 PM:
" Carl,
Well, I am not sure that your calling West Hills College a "rinky-dink little college" is not a bitter put-down of that institution, be THAT as it may . . .
WHC - Lemoore offers much more locally with significantly higher educational opportunities:
"A unique partnership with California State University, Fresno, allows students to earn a bachelor's degree entirely on the Lemoore site. Also, a second accredited baccalaureate degree program is offered through a partnership with Franklin University. "The innovative program provides opportunities for students at WHC to complete their bachelor's degree in a format that fits their career and lifestyle needs, without leaving their community." (WHC website)
I do agree that more educational opportunities locally is a good thing. West Hills happens to lead the pack and has done so with an greater physical presence for a longer period of time, bringing baccalaureate programs right into Kings County and the local environs.
Lets hope all the available seats are taken in every school and program! "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:39 AM:
" Alejandro: Just to be clear, my Rinky Dink comment referred to WHC in the 70's. It is far fom that now as they have been on an aggressive growth plan for years. They are a fine college and we are fortunate to have them in Lemoore and a growing COS presence in Hanford. "
Main campus wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:03 PM:
" The main campus for COS is Visalia, the main campus for West Hills is Coalinga. I'm glad they are both building in Hanford and Lemoore and I have voted for expansion in both cities. For many years West Hills had a little center in Lemoore and COS had a little center in Hanford. It is great that they both have grown into more fully functional centers. I went to COS because West Hills could not even come close to offering the courses I needed back in the mid 80's. I fully support expanding both locations and classes so that Kings County doesn't need to depend on other counties for our needs. I believe COS still has more programs, but hopefully West Hills keeps catching up, especially at the Lemoore location. I would prefer to have driven to Lemoore over Visalia, but course selection was and continues to be a driving factor. To N. Hanford resident, what planet are you from?? You must be new to this area since you obviously don't know the history of colleges in our area. "