Jenny wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:21 PM:
" Awww, look who's rubbing each other's backs AGAIN... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:30 PM:
" Dan Chin man of the year in an election year what a coinky dink! "
Outside observer wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:45 PM:
" Lets see if this is correct. The city funds the chamber who selects a councilman up for re-election and one of the city's largest vendors. That sounds like Hanford to me. "
Andrew Mattos wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:48 PM:
" Exactly what are the requirements to be "Man of the Year"? I know for a fact that a local businessman who raises thousands of dollars annually for Valley Children’s Hospital and sponsors numerous youth activities was nominated. What has Mr. Chin done in comparison? Could it be that politics are at play here? Isn't it a conflict of interest since Mr. Chin as a member of the Hanford City Council votes to give tax money to the Hanford Chamber of Commerce? Will Dan Chin not participate in future city votes concerning Hanford Chamber of Commerce funding? "
WHATS THE PROBLEM wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:17 PM:
" THIS TOWN HAS MORE CROOKS THAN THERE ARE IN OUR LOCAL JAIL , ACTING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITIES... LOL. WHAT A JOKE THIS TOWNS BECOMING A REAL CESSPOOL MAGNET..... "
Ms. MLC wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:31 PM:
" Congratulations to Mrs. Silva for all the hours of hard work she puts into photo taking and album making for lots of different events in our community. Your donation of time, money and hours without compensation is very commendable. You are a true inspiration to us all. Once again congratulations on an award well earned and deserved. "
To Andrew wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:02 PM:
" Andrew, are you saying that the owner of Best Buy Market was nominated? That's the person that came to mind when you mentioned businessperson that raises money for Childrens Hospital. If he was nominated and not selected I won't attend this fiasco. "
To To Andrew wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:44 PM:
" Yes, the owner of Best Buy Market was nominated for this honor, but not selected. I for one could think of no better candidate. That he was passed over shows the cronyism that continues to infect our city. "
William H wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Dan Chin man of the year? This IS a joke right? "
Whittie wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:36 PM:
" Here we go again. Only in Hanford does this kind of thing continue to happen. The good ole boys ! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:39 PM:
" Well now the dawg is scratching his head and it aint for fleas this time. You mean to tell me the owner of Best Buy Market, Hanford and Visalia, partner of Frank's Market Armona and now Best Buy Lemoore who donates a percentage of sales from all his stores one day to the Valley Children's Hospital. He and his crew who collect and have for years coats for kids so they don't have to freeze in the winter was passed over for this award and Dan Chin took his place? Now I smell a network of stupidity behind the selection process of the Hanford Chamber of Commerce committee for Man of the Year. There is no other more deserving, he has been giving to this community and Visalia for years. His family also owned Big John's Market and a host of super markets throughout the valley at one time and constantly performed community service and gifted the community and this is how we pay them back. I yell foul in the Chambers. What are they basing their decision on their funding from the city? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM:
" I guess if you hang around long enough handing out money to a apecial interest group it eventually comes back in your favor. I say Chin should be disallowed to vote on any decision concerning the Chamber for the rest of his tenure on the City Council. There cannot help but be a biased relationship now that this has occured.
Whos' Chin gonna throw under the bus for this one; folks? I think he should have refused to accept the award do to a direct conflict of interest. Who nominated him Marcie or Bob Dowd? "
get it right wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:54 PM:
" The Man of the Year, Woman of the Year and Business of the Year are chosen by a citizens advisory committee made up of past recipients of their respective awards. The "Chamber" hosts this community awards banquet. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 14, 2008 5:27 PM:
" I wonder who did trophy for the Man of the Year award? "
citizen wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:27 PM:
" Congrats to Nancy Silva-she has done more for this community than anyone could imagine. She takes photos of practically everything relating to Hanford High from sports, band, graduation and FFA, plus St. Brigid Church and other community events. Everyone in town knows and loves her. This is one decision I fully support, and although another selection may anger a lot of folks, we shouldn't ruin Nancy's evening because of it. Go and support her. My parent's always told me "you don't have to clap for everyone, just don't be rude and boo for anyone either" "
Girl Friday wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:46 PM:
" Mrs. Silva is the one shiney Jewel in the bunch so selfless and generous well done Nancy "
Congrats to Nancy Silva wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:54 PM:
" Im not familiar with Zumwalt Hansen, but Dan Chin...are you kidding me??? Why? "
No Clue wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:49 PM:
" Councilman Dan Chin gives so much to this community and surrounding towns without any return. So Andy Mattos what have you and your wife Robin done lately? Nothing, except keep these shake down lawsuits against the City of Hanford going and causing the City to spend hard earned tax dollars on these shake down lawsuits when we could spend it on activities for the Citizens of Hanford. Yes, I know first hand that Dan gives alot of his time and sponsors lots of local teams to off set there cost/expenses. So you don't qualify to comment against Dan Chin. "
To outside observer wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:53 PM:
" News flash, Dan Chin is not a City of Hanford vendor. So, get your facts right. "
Outside Observer wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:44 PM:
" Hey news flash, I said that Chin is on the city council. The city's big vendor is zumwalt. Learn how to read. "
cmon pleeez wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:32 PM:
" Jesus, it's an award, from a group of peers, from a community chamber of commerce I guarentee is not trying to piss anyone off. C'mon folks, not a congressional medal of honor. Chamber receives little from the city and the CEO of the chamber wants to have nothing to do with the city, just ask her! let em have there little banquet and move on. "
heres a tip wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:38 PM:
" You conspiracy theorists need lives. Call Hope Williams Morikawa at the chamber of commerce. I know she will be most candid. "
p.s wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:51 PM:
" Board members in attendance; Advisory Committee award. "
Andrew Mattos wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:55 PM:
" No Clue wrote:
"So you don't qualify to comment against Dan Chin. "
Last time I checked the first ammendment still applied in this city, didn't you get the memo from the media policy committee? "
verify conjecture wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:05 PM:
" watchdog-stupidity on the chamber process? crying foul, like usual? go to the source or be quiet with your speculations. "
Nomination wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:14 PM:
" It's very disappointing that Dan Chin got this award. Again, he has made promises that he has not kept...so....
The owner of Best Buy is Mr. Nugent...very generous man. I'm also curious if Wendy Raygoza was nomininted.. the owner of Fatte Albert's. She is very generous and helpful to everyone in the community. She is involved in the school systems: elementary, jr. high, and both high schools. She doesn't expect anything in return. "
Alfonzo Lemus wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:29 PM:
" What? are you serious.
zumwalt busnises of the year.
why no't J&D painting. David kick @ss
David Lafferty you are the man. no mr chin lee.... "
Knox from France wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:46 PM:
" cmon pleeez wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:32 PM:
" Jesus, it's an award, from a group of peers, from a community chamber of commerce I guarentee is not trying to piss anyone off."
The problem for the chamber is that their MOTY is a political figure up for re-election. The reciepient of this award will get lots of free publicity at the expense of the Chamber of Commerce and its members. The event where the award will be presented is a testomonial dinner under FPPC (Fair Political Practices Commission) rules (see section 18946.2 (a)) and as such is a political contribution under the law. "
Whittie wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:34 AM:
" To Nomination, The ONLY way you get any honor in this community is be born into their circle, and play their game. I have lived in Hanford for 45 years, and have seen it a hundred times! The good ole boy Government is all we have.. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:34 AM:
" I wonder if Gary had a hard time keeping a straight face when he learned Dan Chin was being elected man of the year. He doesn't even qualify as man of the hour, much less a whole entire year. He's a yes man with no clear record of doing anything but saluting Marcie Bufford and voting according to how she tells him to vote. As long as we are on the subject of Marcie, I wonder why she never built a mini-mart near the Industrial Park, oh that is right she knows no one is directed there for a serious business venture in Hanford. They get prime land next to the freeway or on 12th Avenue to locate and do business. By the way folks Mr. Serpa has his lot open out at the Auto Mall in case you are in need of a good used car. It's a good thing those responsible auto dealerships out there were more responsible than the developer of that property, is all I can say. Another slick willy who thought he'd slide one by the City Council and did, wonder what it cost us to finish it. "
shaking my head wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:10 AM:
" It's ironic that on the same day chin's "honor" is announced, there is a letter to the editor about the poor job he does as a councilman. Really, this city would make a perfect DATELINE NBC story - a genuine bunch of "good old boys" does still exist. The chamber and it's advisory committee of former winners really blew it, and they and chin should agree to not present the award - its a flagrant conflict of interest in an election year, but chin doesn't have the integrity to say so. "
Whatchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:07 AM:
" To : verify conjecture wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:05 PM:
" watchdog-stupidity on the chamber process? crying foul, like usual? go to the source or be quiet with your speculations. "
I suppose you want to hold me responsible for all the negative opinons on this page too. I am not the only one who feels this way or did you forget your reading glasses. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:36 AM:
" At the suggestion of another blogger and after reading this, I believe Dan Chin should refuse this honor or be subject to the penalties contained herein.
§ 18215. Contribution.
(a) A contribution is any payment made for political purposes for which full and adequate consideration is not made to the donor. A payment is made for political purposes if it is:
(1) For the purpose of influencing or attempting to influence the action of the voters for or against the nomination or election of a candidate or candidates, or the qualification or passage of any measure; or
(2) Received by or made at the behest of the following or any agent thereof:
(A) A candidate;
Chin qualifies as a Candidate for re-election and should avoid this honor like the plague and if he doesn't he should be brought up on charges of violating Fair Political Acts. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:47 AM:
" Further the following should apply since the Chamber of Commerce is funded by the city of Hanford, thereby making the Chamber a lobbiest concern for funding:
§ 86203. Unlawful Gifts.
It shall be unlawful for a lobbyist, or lobbying
firm, to make gifts to one person aggregating more
than ten dollars ($10) in a calendar month, or to act as
an agent or intermediary in the making of any gift, or
to arrange for the making of any gift by any other
person.
Therefore the City Chamber is also in violation of the Fair Political Practices laws as well. "
srs wrote on Jul 15, 2008 1:24 PM:
" I would like to congratulate Nancy Silva for receiving this honor. Anyone who knows Nancy realizes that she takes great joy in taking these pictures and giving them back to the kids. She has been doing this for way over ten years when she started with water polo pictures of our sons. She is one of the nicest and most generous women in our community who gives to kids a gift that lasts a lifetime: that is, pictures that memorialize their successes. Way to go Nancy. You are the best! "
Nomination wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:29 PM:
" To Whittie: I, too have been in the community for34 years, and unfortunately, what you say is true. But, I will continue to praise Mr. Nugent and Ms. Raygoza for their contributions. Maybe someone will listen. I hope..... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 5:59 PM:
" Please feel free to read the minutes of the city council on their website but here is a pasted copy of what happened on June 17, 2008. Motion made by Dan Chin
(15) Authorization to execute agreement with Hanford Chamber of Commerce for the provision
of services for FY 2009.
City Manager Misenhimer stated the city annually executes an agreement for services with the
Chamber of Commerce and includes funding in the city’s annual budget. Staff recommends the
city council execute an agreement with the Hanford Chamber of Commerce for the provision of
services for fiscal year 2009.
Motion was made by Vice Mayor CHIN, seconded by Council Member THOMAS, to execute an
agreement with the Hanford Chamber of Commerce for the provision of services for FY 2009.
Motion carried by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Council Members CHIN, THOMAS, BUFORD, AYERS, GONZALES
NOES: Council Members NONE
ABSTAIN: Council Members NONE
ABSENT: Council Members NONE
No one see's a conflict of interest here? "
enough wrote on Jul 15, 2008 7:42 PM:
" The agreement between the chamber and city has been in effect for many years. Who cares who makes a motion? Marci Buford was woman of the year sometime back, did you give birth to a cow then, too Watchdog? "
Dan is an outstanding choice wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:48 AM:
" Dan Chin is a most deserving Man of the Year honoree.
- He served as President of the California Junior Chamber of Commerce, teaching young people basic business skills statewide.
- He spent years serving as the (unpaid) chairperson of our Homecoming committee.
- He spent two years on the school board, leaving only when asked to help Hanford with its planning commission mess.
- He served 12 years on the planning commission providing leadership and direction.
- And now he’s given eight more years serving on the city council.
Everyone on this blog has the same opportunity to serve in one of these unpaid capacities. You just have to offer your time and be willing to put yourself, and your reputation, on the line.
The Chamber of Commerce made an outstanding choice. Dan truly has made a commitment and, by doing so, an amazing contribution. What have the few negative bloggers who daily scream about everything ever done for Hanford (other than throw mud)? "
W.O.W. wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:59 AM:
" I've known Dan Chin for many years and although I don't agree with him a great deal of the time I will say Dan has unselfishly given thousands of hours to the Community and the City. I honestly don't think he did anything to influence the award and probably was truly humbled by it.
I am not a member of the good old boys club but I do understand the chess board.
Our City has gone through teriffic, unparallel growth and our Council members have made choices that, in retrospect, could have been better. No matter who is on the Council the same will continue to happen even with best efforts.
, "
CitizenH wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Dan Chin has contributed plenty to this city...
Grand Jury investigations
Brown Act violations
Criminal charges against 2 City Managers
Questionable hires for important positions
Why not him for Man of the Year? "
ToDan is an outstanding choice wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:06 PM:
" You must be proud of your son Ms. Chin. Actually Mr. Chin IS paid because he places value on secret information. He thinks that by controlling information he is in control. What the rest of us understand is that this is just an immature way for someone to feel like they belong. As soon as Mr Chin starts representing the interests of his district and this city he will win suppot because he is a pretty smart guy As long as he thinks he is the great 'Oz" behind the curtain, he will just be someone to feel sorry for. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:29 PM:
" Have you heard the latest, the party just got bigger by one. A down to earth foreward thinking candidate just announce a run to replace none other than Marcie Bufford, I am so excited about her departure I think we should have a party with black ballons and fireworks to celebrate. "
Boycott the diner wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:08 PM:
" Chin, what a joke!! "
Very Few Bloggers wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:49 PM:
" I’ve been ready the Sentinel blogs regularly ever since they were first introduced. I’m amazed at how few people actually contribute to the conversation. Using this thread as an example we have roughly six people posting messages under many different handles. I guess I’ve been reading so long that I recognize their common complaints and writing styles. I’d love to hear from new people on this topic or any of the other topics that impact our community. My real fear is that very few people vote and, of those that do, next to none read these blogs. Basically this forum seems to serve as little more than an emotional realease for a small club composed of hateful individuals. Where are the unwashed masses and when might we hear from them? Perhaps they went to the mall and are trying to stay cool. They certainly aren't here. "
To Very Few Bloggers wrote on Jul 16, 2008 5:23 PM:
" You may be making an error in assuming that there are just a few people saying the same things. I do not post frequently, but find myself agreeing with the bloggers who are concerned about City government. I think that it is a trend that may turn in to a tide wave come November.
Someone needs to clean house with the City of Hanford. Citizens such as disadvantaged youth, the disabled, homeless and Senior Citizens need to have a voice. What I see in the time these blogs have been operational is that those groups are given no consideration at all.
In the meantime, we have trendy stores that move to the newest spot, old businesses that are a blight on the shopping centers they inhabit, an icon of the old Hanford I love, the Plunge is now being set for demolition. Something has to change and fast!
THe Developers live off borrowed money. They do not care if a venture is built, or successful if it is built, all they care about is that they get that next loan. Then they file bankruptcy, or ask for City bailouts and move on. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:00 PM:
" What a funny thread. Small minded, small town people.
Z-H is a great firm. They compete for work with the City of Hanford with other outside firms. They are not the city's "in house" firm. They have surveyed, mapped and planned the majority of this county with integrity and expertise.
Dan Chin is a great guy. He has done plety to deserve this honor. If you don't like his politics, run against him, slackers.
Mrs Silva is a saint. End of disucssion. "
to outstanding choice wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:03 PM:
" Be careful who you take issue with! You can slam Dan, but DO NOT involve his momma. I'll have issue with that. Yes, he is an outstanding choice and deserves this MAN OF THE YEAR award it has been long overdue. "
To Carl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:19 PM:
" I don't know the people of this City as you do. But I read the Sentinel.
And the Sentinel told me that John Zumwalt is on the Board of COS that pushed for a bond measure so that taxes go up. It also told me that John Zumwalt himself put lots of time and effort to make that a success.
The Sentinel also told me that John Zumwalt's firm, within a WEEK of the bond measure passing, put help wanted ads in the Sentinel to increase his staff.
Drive by the project and see the Zumwalt Hansen sign on project. "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:26 PM:
" Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:00 PM
Z-H is a great firm. They compete for work with the City of Hanford with other outside firms. They are not the city's "in house" firm.
Carl please review the Hanford City Council meeting minutes for the real story. Here are some examples:
Hanford City Council Meeting Minutes of 06/17/2008
Motion was made by Council Member AYERS, seconded by Council Member THOMAS, to
execute an agreement with Zumwalt Hansen and Associates to provide consulting services.
November 6, 2007 Hanford City Council Meeting Agenda:
Authorization to execute agreement with Zumwalt Hansen and Associates to provide consulting
services for the FY 08 Water Main Projects ($38,000).
This firm is a paid consultant to both the City of Hanford and numerous developers who bring projects before the Planning Commission and City Council.
These facts can be verified by looking at the Hanfrod City Council meeting minutes and agendas. I strongly suggest the readers of this post do their own reasearch and decide for themselves the propriety of these relationships. "
Stop Right There wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:41 PM:
" To: Dan is an outstanding choice,
Disagree with Dan if you must, but involve Mrs. Chin in your diatribe and you'll have A VERY LARGE community wanting an up close and personal conversation with you! No one has given more of themselves for Hanford than her! "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:47 AM:
" In your investigation was it determined whether Z-H competed for those assignments or where they awarded directly? My experience is that the city bids them out. If they were bid, what is your beef? Don't you want the city to hire local businesses that pay taxes here? "
The REAL Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:39 PM:
" To the person who used my pen name to post this please stop. I get enough flack for my own opinions .
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:47 AM:
" In your investigation was it determined whether Z-H competed for those assignments or where they awarded directly? My experience is that the city bids them out.
For the record I did not post the comments of Jul 17, 2008 9:47 AM.
The answer to your question is no there was no RFP (request for proposal) sent out for these contracts. They were awarded on the recommendation of "staff". The real question is if
someone can be objective when they represent both the city and the developer as a consultant at the same time. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:16 PM:
" Joe Friday - Sorry that was me in that prior post. In a large brain fart, I typed your name in as my own. My apologies, not trying to impersonate you.
Back to Z-H, how do you know they were awarded that contract directly as that is not the way the city usually does things. I speak that from experience as a city vendor. Why do you imply they have to represent the city and the developer in this instance? They are providing consulation to the city. I find Z-H to be a very credible firm with a lot of expertise in this market, more so than anyone, and why you need to put them down is puzzling to me. "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:09 PM:
" A reading of these items from the Hanford City Council Study Packet of 11/06/07 show the difference between a bid and no-bid contract,
26) Authorization to award contract to A-C Electric Co. of Visalia for the Douty Street and
Fargo Avenue Traffic Signal Installation Project ($220,100).
In accordance with council actions, bids were solicited and opened on October 24, 2007 for the
Douty Street and Fargo Avenue Traffic Signal Installation Project. Three bids were received with
A-C Electric Co. of Visalia submitting the low bid of $220,100.
(27) Authorization to execute agreement with Zumwalt Hansen and Associates to provide
consulting services for the FY 08 Water Main Projects ($38,000).
The FY 07-08 Water Capital Improvement Program Budget provides funds for the design of minor and major water main projects. Work on this project will include the design of all water mains,
connection of existing water services and main lines, and all necessary appurtenances. Based on
their professional qualifications and demonstrated competence, staff feels that Zumwalt Hansen
and Associates is qualified to provide the engineering services for this project. Staff recommends the city council execute an agreement with Zumwalt Hansen. "
Girl Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:50 PM:
" Excuse me but I am very displeased with all this Joe Friday real or not
Remember there is only one
GIRL FRIDAY
agnostic at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is my mantra
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
to all my fans "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:59 PM:
" From minutes of the 04/10/2007 meeting
Hanford City Planning Commission...
"John Zumwalt, speaking on behalf of applicant, explained the design of the proposed project would help to decrease traffic congestion at 12th and Lacey Blvd."
Mr. Zumwalt was speaking on behalf of David Paynter the developer of Target and the Lowes projects. Paynter is the southern California developer granted exclusive rights by the city to negotiate the purchase of the old Serpa car lot and plunge facilities in downtown Hanford.
I have nothing against ANY local business or businessperson but people in our city should be able to question a contract that ethically challenges both the city and the company who receives it.
I do not challenge the quality of the work done by this company, they have a long history going back to the McKee - Zumwalt days of long ago. They do good quality work. I question if it is wise to put ANYONE in a situation where the best interests of one client may not be in the best interest of another. Especially when one of those clients is funded by the taxpayer. "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:06 PM:
" Carl I appreciate the exchange of ideas here. While we may not always agree your thoughtful responses are appreciated. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:32 PM:
" Joe Friday: I don't follow your objections to Z-H getting selected by the city. That tells me they submitted a reasonable cost/delivery. If it was otherwise, I think the city would shop it around.
You are also going to have to connect the dots for me a little more on why you see an issue with Z-H working for the city/developers/property owners. That does not seem unusual for an engineering firm? What is the issue you are having? "
uh where has this thread gone wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:53 PM:
" If we are done mud-slinging anonymously, perhaps Sentinel can close this thread? If everyone would disclose actual name and not some dumb moniker, maybe some good could come from this dialogue "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 PM:
" Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:32 PM:
"You are also going to have to connect the dots for me a little more on why you see an issue with Z-H working for the city/developers/property owners. That does not seem unusual for an engineering firm? What is the issue you are having? "
It is the Conflict of interest. As the engineer/consultant for the city water system you have influence on the direction of city growth both now and in the future. If a client of your company wants to develop their land say moving from ag use to residential, the knowledge/influence you have as a city consultant on development is quite valuable.
It is one of the reasons that Z-H counts large property owners on the Hanford Fringe who are not developers themselves among their clients.How does the engineer balance what is in the best interest of the city (balanced growth throughout the community) with a landowner wanting to develop their property now?
The special knowledge gained as the city consultant gives Zumwalt's company a great (unfair?) advantage over local competitors. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:11 AM:
" Joe Friday: The city determines where the water lines go. Z-H determines the sizes, depths, cost etc. There is no conflict of interest there. ANy bozo off the street can walk into public works and ask them about future water lines - location , size, capacity and timing.
The city determines what is in the best interest of the city. Z-H is only an engineering consultant. I don't think they have a conflict in working for the city and land owners/developers as the city information is public knowledge. "
To Carl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:31 PM:
" So the City retains a consultant, without a contract that is put out to bid. An under the table handshake deal that gives a steady revenue stream to one firm. Unfortunately, this one firm is helping boost our property taxes so that they can line their own pockets.
Sure it is great to have local boys keep their business going, but what about all the other businesses that are negatively affected? What abut the services for citizens that are not funded or underfunded because the City pays so much to "Consultants", and City attorneys and City Council members businesses, and employees salarys that are above the Valley norm?"
Do you realize that HANFORD City Manager makes more per year than the Chief Administrative Officer of the County of Fresno, that has over a million people in its County?
Remember the former Hanford City Mayor who was put out of office? What didn't hit the papers was that her personal expenses were being subsidized by some developers. Local boys, again, money was kept in town. One went to prison for savings and loan fraud. "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:35 PM:
" Welll Carl we must just agree to disagree on this one as the thread is spinning off topic. I will stand by my opinion but appreciate your side of the discussion. "
Engineer Opinion wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:01 PM:
" I fail to see the confilct of interest posted by Mr Friday. As an engineer myself, my experience has been that contracts awarded for public projects are often defined by the public client. The Engineer will simply design the facility per the capacities given. By law, a public entity is also allowed to enter into contract for professional services without bidding. The AC electric bid you sighted was for construction and installation, and this form of contract required bidding. I worry these days about people like yourself Mr. Friday. Due to the open records policy, people such as yourself have free access to documents that get quoted in to context of misleading others. As and engineer who worked for both the public and private sector, there are certain decisions that are made by staff to award engineering contracts to local firms. This could be due to timing issues, budget concerns or specialty services. These conversations are had at the staff level and only discused by boards when required. As you challenged others, I challenge you to make sure you have all of your info before making conculsions in this blog. "
Engineer Opinion wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:04 PM:
" Lastly Mr. Friday....John Zumwalt and Jim Hansen are professionals. It is hard for me to believe that they cannot represent thier clients in the most professional manner. They have a long history in the community as you stated, for them to bias their designs is unprofessional, and that is far from what that firm represents. I fail to see how you recommend that a firm only represent one client and one perspective all the time. It is somewhat disturbing that you would questions the firms ability to perform professional services. Better come with evidince before casting doubt. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:12 PM:
" Engineer Opinion: Couldn't agree more. There are a lot of shady businesses in Hanford. Z-H is not one of them.
Joe:
To Carl: Are you on or off any drugs today? "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:22 PM:
" Engineer Opinion wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:01 PM
"Due to the open records policy, people such as yourself have free access to documents that get quoted in to context of misleading others."
Engineer I believe that any work for the public sector should be as transparent as possible. You claim that the fact pattern I have laid out is misleading, are my citations incorrect? What you fail to address is the heart of the question. How does the public know whose interests are being served by any firm when those of the city and a developer or landowner who are both clients run counter to each other?
Your answer would seem to be trust us we are professionals. I'm sorry but as a citizen and taxpayer I demand a higher standard.
If I was a party to a lawsuit would I want to hire the same attorney as the person suing me? Do you think that would be wise? After all they are professionals too. "
To Joe Friday wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:40 PM:
" I agree with you completely.
And who is this "Engineer" ? Are you a City of Hanford employee who is reading and responding to blogs on your own time? DOes having Z-H "consult" for City of Hanford, does that mean you work less and can blog?
Or a Z-H employee? I have no doubt that ZH are great guys, but when money is involved, I agree, transparency is necessary. We are not talking about $100 here. How many thousands of dollars does Z-H get from the City of Hanford each year?
John Z is not on the Board of COS because he is a good guy. It is a large source of revenue for him and he just hit the jackpot with the bond passage. "
Carl Spackler wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:25 PM:
" Joe Friday, sometimes when you've stepped over the line in a discussion it is better to cut your losses and move on. You are coming across now as petty and vindictive. Next topic please! "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:09 PM:
" Carl why is it "petty and vindictive" to demand a high standard of ethics in the awarding of a governmental contract?
Are you confusing the comments of "To Joe Friday" with my own? "
To Joe Friday wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:56 AM:
" While accusations from you seem to come easy, your basis for it comes out of thin air. You say Zumwalt is on the COS Board not because he is a good guy but because it is a large source of revenue for him. That is a lie. Because he is on the COS Board, he and Z-H is disqualified from doing work on any COS project. His service as a COS Board member costs him money, not the other way around.
Try doing a little homework before you slander people.
The Sentinel article was supposed to be about the man and woman of the year and the business of the year. None of the recipients are everyone's 1st choice, but each has made considerable contributions to make Hanford a better place.
Joe Friday, you demean us all when you just make stuff up at other people's expense. I know all 4 of the recepients (including Hanson) They don't deserve your slander. "
SJT wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:00 PM:
" Last June, 27.25% of voters showed up for an important local election. With those numbers, we can be guaranteed status quo. The same people holding office for generations will continue unless citizens wake up and practice democracy and demand accountability. The November election will tell us if Hanford, California will remain an oligarchy. I'm not a bettin' man, but if I were, I'd say that the November voter numbers will still remain at around 27% again. Oligarchs love low voter turn-out. "
Not Joe Friday wrote on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 AM:
" I wrote about Z-H. Maybe I made a mistake. I went out this evening and drove by the place where there was a sign and none is there. I did not imagine it, but I should not have posted those comments, regardless. No one is perfect and I have heard that ZH is a good company.
I will not post like that again and I am sorry if I caused any hurt to anyone. It is really none of my concern or business to say such things in a public forum. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 20, 2008 11:53 AM:
" Yes I do and also I know their City Manager met all the qualifications for the position. He wasn't appointed because he was a yes man for the good ol' boy network. I wonder if any of the people running for City Council are willing to make that a part of their platform to only hire qualified people for city positions? I also hope someone will run on the basis of not renewing the present City Attorney's Contract when it comes up again or putting the job out for bid once again!
Do you realize that HANFORD City Manager makes more per year than the Chief Administrative Officer of the County of Fresno, that has over a million people in its County? "
Joe Friday wrote on Jul 20, 2008 12:47 PM:
" Thanks for clearing that up. While I raised some serious questions in my posts, I tried to keep them on issue. Folks need to read carefully who is actually posting, before pointing fingers at folks for things they never said.
If you post comments at least use a pen name other than "To whoever" as this gets confusing when multiple people post using this same pen name.
On another topic I would like to agree with SJT. If you do not vote, don't complain about your leaders. Your lack of effort means that you deserve what you get. "
Veronica wrote on Jul 20, 2008 1:32 PM:
" To NOT JOE FRIDAY: Spoken like a true Joe Flores flip-flop. You saw the ZH sign or you didn't. It is your business who ever you are. If you pay taxes in this county or use the service of COS, IT IS YOUR BUSINESS. Transparency in government is the issue. Mr. Zumwalt is a consultant for the city (in the area of the new COS campus), consulting private developers (in the area of the new COS campus), AND serves on the COS board. A conflict or not? You decide. Don't let ZH decide. The award(s) should have gone to a more deserving people, that DESERVE recognition (like Ms. Silva) for good work for the COMMUNITY, not ZH, Inc. and CHIN. As for Chin, he's been involved in the COS/SierraPacific/CityofHanford/ClarkFarms (a cient of ZH) project since he served on the planning commission. Ms. Sorensen (former school board puppet) has too, by showing up to all meetings associated with the campus along with Zumwalt and Chin at the City, County, WHCC, COS and all points in between. If you doubt this information, I'll be happy to post some minutes, try me. Thanks SJT, you're correct too! "
The Anti Right Winger wrote on Jul 20, 2008 3:28 PM:
" The selection committee for the Chamber of Commerce Man of the Year should have thought about the fallout from as controversial a selection as Dan Chin. This type of controversy should have been expected when the chamber receives city money for its operating expenses. The chamber director is correct, her organization should stop receiving city money.
Some have held up Mr. Chin as a great choice for his efforts on behalf of the disabled. What has not been mentioned is that as a member of the Hanford City Council, Chin along with other council members directed legal staff to have a group of disabled citizens evicted from a home in a residential neighborhood proclaiming the group home an illegal "boarding house".
Due to civil rights violations a US Government Attorney filed a federal lawsuit against the City of Hanford in September 2004 . This Housing discrimination case is titled United States V. City of Hanford.
The residents of the group home eventually won their case thanks to the efforts of then Attorney General Ashcroft. If the city had won this case, group homes for disabled citizens would have been outlawed in Hanford. "
Ed Jones friend wrote on Jul 21, 2008 4:16 PM:
" It is my understanding that Ed Jones was awarded the"Fred Martella achievment award"Is this not important enough to print it along with the other citizens who were nominated?
This is a man deserving this award and some correction should be sent to the Sentinel. Congratulations Mr.Jones "
Chamber Staff wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:01 PM:
" Ed was notified 1 week after the disclosure of the previous awards, due to some extenuating circumstances. The Sentinel has indeed been notified and Chamber staff will be placing ads in the Sentinel to highlight all honorees. "
DL wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:02 PM:
" WARNING SARCASIM AHEAD: Such articulate, intelligent and well informed comments here. It is refreshing to see political opinions formed by known facts and not barber shop gossip. You people posting here should be taking over City Hall any day now. I am sure that the majority of voters won't think you sound like rambling conspiracy theorists and will surely entrust you with the city coffers. "
Engineer wrote on Jul 22, 2008 1:16 PM:
" Sorry for not keeping up with the posting...been tending to my multitude of clients and it is hard to keep them separate, but wait I am bound by my professional code of ethics for engineers, which means if I violate one i loose my PE Lisc. which means my years of hard work and education is worth nothing. I Think Mr. Zumwalt can walk the line between his clients and do his job. Why risk a career over somthing which you accuse this professional of having a hard time doing. Also I am all for transparency. Just don't like it when people like yourself use the information in a skewed manner. The City has no obligation to bid professional services. If you wish them to bid things like this remember these will most likely be designed by firms outside of the area. At lease John lives in this community and I believe that makes him the best man for the job. He cannot deliver a poor design and walk away, he has a reputation to uphold. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:05 PM:
" This is directed to the Senior Citizens living on fixed incomes out there who are still registered to vote. The election this year throughout the country may be the most important election many have seen since the one of Roosevelt when Harry S. Truman was passed the baton. When you vote in this election vote for the change you see needed here in the community rather it be city or county. But remember when voting for President the decision is like described back then that of experience or a young whiper snapper who is all about the media and pleasing the crowd with his flip flopping policies. The latest of which is he now feels he was wrong on Iraq. Bush and McCain both told him he was wrong before he ever got the majority of his parties votes. My point being vote, vote, vote, I don't care for who or how but get your absentee ballots, get whatever it takes to get you to the booth if your able and let the senior vote count for something this year. John McCain supported us with 5 1/2 years of loyalty behind bars. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:07 PM:
" I still say that anyone who has anything to do with providing funding to the City Council by virtue of the receiving of that money should be exemped and disqualified to receive any awards from that facility. Choose Chamber of Commerce, choose between your loyalty to Dan Chin and your loyalty to receiving funding from this city. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 27, 2008 5:19 PM:
" You want to see the difference between an educated and intelligent qualified man and one who isn't?
Qaulified Intelligent man
Simon Lakritz stated the agreement allows only Paynter to negotiate with the city during the next
six (6) months and that is not ethical.
Not qualified for his position:
City Manager Misenhimer stated this item has been placed on the evening agenda for council
consideration. "
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