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Two adults arrested in Avenal vandalism

Two additional arrests were made Monday night in connection with vandalism at Avenal Elementary School that occurred over the weekend, marking the sixth and seventh arrests in connection with the crimes. A group of 10- to 12-year-old children broke into Avenal Elementary School on Sunday, causing $250,000 worth of damage. Five of the school's current or former students -- including two sets of brothers -- were arrested in connection with the vandalism.

During interviews with the arrested boys, two adult suspects emerged. One of the pairs of brothers revealed details about bringing a stolen laptop home. The brothers revealed to their mother and stepfather that they had taken the laptop from the school. Instead of contacting law enforcement, the mother, 37-year-old Belem Moreno, and stepfather, 44-year-old Martin Sandoval, assisted the juveniles in wiping fingerprints off the laptop and transporting it to a remote location to hide it behind a tree.

The laptop was recovered after the boys retraced their route for Kings County Sheriff's Office detectives.

Moreno and Sandoval were arrested at their home. Moreno was booked into Kings County Jail on charges of possession of stolen property and accessory to a crime. Her bail was set at $25,000, which she posted soon after her arrest.

Sandoval was booked into the Kings County Jail on charges of possession of stolen property, accessory to a crime, and committing a crime while out on bail for another crime. He was most recently arrested on charges of criminal threats and assault with a deadly weapon, but he has a prior record beyond that, Avenal Substation Cmdr. David Putnam said. Sandoval's bail was set at $125,000.

The school's custodians discovered early Monday damages caused by vandalism, burglary and arson. The suspects damaged or destroyed photocopy machines, at least 25 computers, fax machines, printers and TVs.

Most of the school's classrooms and halls were left with paint, glue, food and other classroom materials covering the floors. The paint and glue caused considerable damage to carpets, linoleum and walls. Deputies also found that a fire was started inside the main school building, though the flames died before causing much damage.

Some of the arrested boys admitted to not liking specific teachers, and damaging their respective classrooms more extensively, but Cmdr. Putnam classified the boys' crimes mainly as "malicious mischief."

Detectives are still waiting on the school's officials to complete an inventory, though, at this point, they believe the laptop was the only property stolen, Cmdr. Putnam said. He added that the boys will likely stand before a judge on Wednesday, after which point more information about the length of their sentences may be available.

Cmdr. Putnam said he believes all necessary arrests have been made, though detectives are "still actively investigating" the crimes.

Clean up from the damage will be a long process, but it has begun.

"We have had a great community effort out here to help clean up the school," Cmdr. Putnam said.

Suzanne Monroe, superintendent of Reef-Sunset Unified School District, said the school has received offers to help clean up, as well as offers of donations, from residents of Avenal and Coalinga, as well as surrounding communities.

"The custodial crew has done a marvelous job in getting in and getting the initial clean up done," Monroe said Tuesday afternoon. "Things look much better at this time today than at this time yesterday."

But several weeks of repainting, recarpeting and repairing linoleum are still to come. Monroe said the clean-up efforts should be complete in enough time to begin the 2008-2009 school year as planned, and most of the damages should be covered by insurance.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2424.

(July 9. 2008)

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Claire wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Here are our best candidates for parents of the year, no? "

whitey wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:38 PM:

" great parenting skills there folks. I dont know if you should be more ashamed of yourselfs than your kids. "

N. Hanford resident wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Like Father/mother like sons "

Deport them both... wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM:

" I have no tolerance for these two...and the rest of the people they associate with. They are a sector of that community and they are just a drop in the bucket. Tell who you walk with and I tell you who you are!

They are not the only parents like that in Avenal...they never prosecuted a couple who stole my purse from my car while filling out job applications at a farm office I work at. This couple out of Avenal wrote hot checks at the Coalinga Pizza Hut. Slap on the wrist and they were both out. They feed the family for two weeks. First wrote my name wrong on a few checks and then just wrote their own names out of habit. SMART? The crime was considered Fresno County jurisdiction and was left as petty. Petty....right...see the type of people they let into a community! Their are 1000's like this family in the area. Start putting the fear of deportation enforcement in the mix and then we will get some action and droves of criminals will move out of the county quick. "

Saddened wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Usually, if you raise your children to know right from wrong and they come home with a stolen "whatever"; you march them straight over to the police station and show them "what happens next" THEN AFTER the lesson is taught, the child learns there is no TOLERANCE for such things.

What these parents showed were that they didn't deserve to be parents in the first place. SAD "

Bertha wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:45 PM:

" Now this is where i don't have a problem when someone say's it's bad parenting. this people don't teach their children anything by helping them cover up what they have done. I would have marched him right to the substation with the laptop and handed it over to them along with my kid. I know because i once turned in my son doing the right thing as a parent. and not that he learned anything from it but i did it and i would do it again. "

Scott D wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:03 AM:

" I agree with Deport Them Both! These people have no care in the world and live off the tax payers. There are thousands of these kind of people all over the county who come to our country and break our laws with not a care in the world. Round them all up,finger print them all and sent them all home never to be eligable to return. These two parents should be ashamed of themselves. They have no business in our country! "

Mrs.D wrote on Jul 10, 2008 9:13 AM:

" RE:Deport them both... , If they were white, what would you say then? Would you say something even more stupid or what?

Awful people come in all colors. You should know that. "

resident wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 AM:

" I live in Avenal, and I think this whole situation is sad. Its such a blow to the community as a whole. As a parent I would have marched my son to the substation and turned him in as much as that would hurt but he has to know that there are consequences for his actions. As an adult you have to know by now that in this world there are consequences and to see these people try and pull this off makes me wonder how many times before has this happened?
I went to school at AES and its a shame to see that these children had nothing better to do than destroy the 1 place that is trying to help them succeed in life. We can see that the parents dont care.
Maybe its time for the City of Avenal to wake up and see that maybe more activites need to be available for our youth so they don't get bored and another event like this will happen. And maybe its time fot the community of Avenal to step up and participate in the youth activities already here. "

Another Crime by Illegals wrote on Jul 10, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Well, well, well...here we are with another example of illegal immigrants committing crimes and we the English Speaking AMERICAN taxpayers will take it in the shorts and PAY once again for their actions. Deport them all I say and never look back. This surley coincides with the Liberal Evolutionist theory, we are the stonger species. Don't worry we will not deport them or make them pay for the damages. They will be rewarded for bringing Avenal to the map and have a parade in their honor while standing on the podium next to Barak Hussein Obama! "

Bobb wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Throw the book at them. Obviously, some of you know more than I or I have missed something in the article. Nowhere does it say that they were illegal immigrants If they were I would say DEPORT THEM. Just because they have Mexican surnames does not neccessarily mean that they are illegal. All of those involved need very strict punishment as this problem is happening in many schools in the valley. They seem to be an easy targets as one in Hanford had the same problem several months ago. By the way, does anyone know what their punishment was or whether restiltution was made? "

lack of values wrote on Jul 10, 2008 9:39 PM:

" Just another pathetic example of how our society is falling apart. The liberal push to be weak on crime and to dumb down our education system and expectations for our youth is the root cause.... but I'm sure many will say these little monsters were just misunderstood. "

Tracy wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:57 PM:

" Regardless if they are illegal... they were both born in Mexico (info from the Kings Country Jail Website)...so unless they became US citizens... they can be deported for their crimes. Will they be? I doubt it. "

ToMrsD wrote on Jul 11, 2008 2:07 AM:

" If they were white and here illegally, I think we would all say the same thing... deport them! It's not about skin color, its about following laws and having respect for our system. When people break our laws just to get here, and are rewarded from the moment they enter, they are taught the laws dont apply to them. Whether these people are illegal or not I dont know, but I do know they dont know right from wrong. I know, I know... your husband is a CO!

I find it also amusing that "resident" is basically blaming this on a lack of community programs. That attitude is one that produces these little thugs. It does not take a village to raise children, but good parents. If you cant raise 'em, dont have 'em. People need to be held responsible for their actions, even the ones which produce children, and its not John Q. Taxpayer's job to raise societies children. It's no wonder our state is in the shape it's in... "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:44 AM:

" To Bobb, I remember that I responded to that article and jumped on the sister a bit because she was faulting society for failiing her brothers, and if I remember correctly the 2 brothers were white. I didn't notice Mrs. D jumping in to save those two, oh that's right whites are the entire problem here, at least in her bigoted arrogant mind. State any fact with the word Hispanic/Latino/Mexican and she jumps around like the buffon that she is about how we are all mistreating them. (Please see her post and response to me in the DUI article). How many illegals is she hiding in her "closet". I can tell you for a fact that none of my "extended" family is living here illegally, and please remember that my family and myself is multi-racial. "

AL wrote on Jul 11, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Yeah, they were wrong to cover up their children's malicious behavior and they should suffer theconsequences. But if we're going to talk about deportation and begin ranting and raving then let's send all of the pilgrims (who murdered native Americans ) and their decendants back to England. It's funny how when people of European decendant invade a country they always believe they're the only ones making things better and lifting everyone up. Yeah, because slavery was such a righteous thing, the "trail of tears" that annihilated an entire generation of Indians spear headed by president Andrew Jackson was godly and part of manifest destiny. You're right send illegal aliens back home and while we're at it send home everyone who came here and staked claim to a land that really was never discovered but was taken, at times, by force and murder. Hypocrites! You think every thing is yours because you've been here for only 8 or 10 generations. American kids have proven to be just as bad, if not worse, since they should no better, right! Because they go to church and have a better quality of life. Stop hating and learn to model. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 11, 2008 1:23 PM:

" White, Brown, Black, Pink, or Purple Poke a Dot if they are here illegally deport them and deport their kids right along with them. It's a done deal the taxpayers are yet again stuck with another bill for irresponsible people. At least give us the satisfaction that they won't be able or allowed to do something of this magnitude here again!
If they don't have the jevos to confront a teacher or have their parents deal with it through proper channels, they need to be locked up and throw the key away until they realize you can't destroy a public place because they jerked you around a little bit. If that was the case the jails would be full capacity at all times, oh wait a minute they are aren't they. What does that tell you about our society today, the ethnic majority that is about to take over in this state does nothing to control their own society of people. You would think they weould take pride in the advantages here in the United States and work and act to protect them from this animal behavior, why aren't they? "

AL wrote on Jul 11, 2008 2:32 PM:

" That's interesting WatchDog Fred how you talk about every color needing to be deported but then you make a distinction and sad attempt at not too subtly using Spanish words interspersed in your comments to get your point across. By the way it's spelled J-u-e-v-o-s not J-e-v-o-s. What majority are you referring to in California that's imprisoned? and can't control their "own society of people"? Stop being a paranoid schizophrenic and realize that "individuals" destroyed the school and "individuals" and their parents need to be held accountable. It's sad how some people in Hanford continue to talk like "back wood hicks" and unfortunately generalize and leave the rest of the country convinced that our town is the armpit of California. "

Bobb wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:56 PM:

" To NotHomeGrown; I am not defending anyones actions and I said if they ARE illegal,deport them. I also feel that California should follow Arizona's lead in dealing with illegal immigration from any country. It is BANKRUPTING the leagal citizens of the Uninted States. I just wondered if some of you knew something that I had missed stating that they were illegal as it was not in the article. Illegal or not, the parents aided and abetted in this matter by wiping off the fingerprints and hiding the computer. As for the other parents, they should also be resposnible for restitution Just because it is taxpayers money, we should not have that liablility. Depending on assets, there probably will never be complete restitution. NOW, can anyone answer my question concering the similar incident in Hanford a few months ago? What was the punishment and did they make restitution? "

La wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:56 PM:

" Maybe AL should save the spelling lesson for the kids who trashed their own school instead of boring us here. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 12, 2008 5:45 AM:

" This has to be wrong Mrs. D thinks only white people commit crime. You must release these people immediately the clarvoyant Mrs. D knows who done it. "

Smalll town thinking wrote on Jul 12, 2008 9:35 AM:

" It can always count on race being brought in to the mix when people of color/with Latino surnames do something that causes the police to be brought in. Deprt them, you cry. Taxpayers are being robbed because we have to pay for their prison time and their welfare checks and their food stamps, you holler.
But when people with Anglo surnames have enough evidence against them to be arrested because they probably KILLED their child we 'Have to show compassion", " YOU PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY CONVICTED THESE PARENTS AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN." But of course, we're not racist are we??? "

it is true wrote on Jul 12, 2008 10:10 AM:

" "Individuals" that come from 3rd world or undeveloped and uncivilized countries do not assimilate to American ways, culture etc. and force what they know on America so they maneuver more comfortably. There is no racism in wanting to protect your Country's identity or culture. That is why there is boundaries in the first place. People are different and societies are different. They group because of common likes etc. Why is it that those that dislike their Country so much leave only to try to bring with them the dysfunction. There is no shame in having a problem with the influx of Mexicans, Middle Easterners etc. into America. We should be concerned that our "ways" are not diluted to the point that we become a different Country. We would be expected to conform to Mexico, Iraq etc. Why do we go so far out of our way to help those that come unlawfully that it compromises our own ability to prosper. Frankly, I am concerned as well that our businesses, college programs, politics, labor force etc. is slowly converting and the face of our Nation is changing to the point that it is becoming less and less recognizable. "

Mexicans wrote on Jul 12, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Here are the facts and where to get them. Better than 80% of the Kings County Jail is filled with Mexicans. You can find this on their website. Before you think it's racist cops, look at the force. Better than 50% of the department are of differing nationalities. If we took 80% of our Mexican population and sent them back to Mexico to never return, we would certainly have a safer community. While at it, we could send 80% of the Tachi's back to Mexico too. White people commit crime too but have you ever noticed that these white people that commit crimes act like hip hop mexicans. Just an observation. "

Bobb wrote on Jul 12, 2008 7:40 PM:

" To It Is True; could not have said it better. If you just comment that we need to protect our borders from ALL illegal immigration, you are immediatly labeled a racist. People come here to escape tyranny, poverty, religious or political suppression and then they do not want to assimilate into our society. We are becoming many societies within one and there is no longer much loyallty to the host country. "

Checking from Santa Maria on this blog wrote on Jul 13, 2008 2:51 AM:

" you think this mentality of letting people from Mexico get a way with crime is only hurting your Kings county....come on over here to this sanctuary city...one of thousands in California. What a mess this state is in...I can't believe the fabric of this once proud and productive state....it is now becoming a mish-mash of masa puree...para los povacitos. ¡MIE-e-e-e-LDA! ¡ahora si que no jodimo!

Sorry...I don't buy it. You know they are criminals and their actions spoke louder than words. Deport the parents...it's the only way the lesson is going to stick and give the children the boot too....juvie! As for the white family...well jail time too if their actions also fell into criminal...law breaking is not tolerable. "

O. G. wrote on Jul 13, 2008 7:04 PM:

" So how far is it from the school to Avenal State Prison? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:53 AM:

" To Bobb,
I was not jumping on you, but rather trying to certify myself as having been against all criminals not matter what race/creed/gender. I was referring to your post where you mentioned something similar happened in Hanford, and how I posted my feelings about how the sister tried to put the blame on society. The rest of my post is against Mrs. D who always thinks that every white person (I am a least part white) hates Hispanics/Latinos. I don't hate any race/creed/gender. But I do hate people that abuse our system of laws, and that includes every illegal alien in this country. I wished that our lawmakers would review the exact wording of being born in America and who has the rights to claim citizenship. They all overlook the wording similar to "under the control of the state". If you are not born to at least one parent being a citizen or legal immigrant (i.e. green card holder), then sorry you are a citizen of your parents country, not the USA> "

Bobb wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:46 AM:

" To NotHome Grown; My appolagies, I did not catch the part thet you were refering to the Hanford case in which the sister was blaming society. I remember that as she and others with siblings, relatives or friends in trouble with the law always seem to hve the need to put the blame everwhere but where it belongs. We have CHOICES in a free society and those CHOICES we make lead to our destiny. Race, gender, religion, wealth or political beliefs should not be an excuse for any crime whether it be robbery DUI, vandalism, etc. Allowing excuses only magnifies the problem and with the growing population we are living in close quarters with our neighbors. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:15 PM:

" After reading the always-entertaining Ms. D's posts, I was struck with this idea:

Why not publicly deport a few "white people" and publicize it up the ying-yang?

Just on general principle.

That would show them - and satisfy Ms. D's sensibilities at the same time! "

Just Do It wrote on Jul 15, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Let's deport white people that aren't here legally and don't stop there...Keep going until we have our country back and our social services back to normal and budgets back to normal and politicians back to normal and, and, and "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:26 PM:

" Oh and to "Mexicans"...the only white people who commit crimes act like hip hop Mexicans??? Oh yeah, that Gene McCurdy was a real hip hop CHOLO and that Kevin Galik, what a VATO LOCO he was! They walked around town chicken-hawking little girls in their khaki pants, shiny shoes and bandanas! Just like their other homies, Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, they hip hopped all day and murdered all night. Orale!

You are a real idiot, whoever you are. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:35 PM:

" Just in case anyone wonders, I am outraged and appalled by the people who commited this crime in Avenal. Those kids need a good old fashioned trip behind the woodshed, not to mention those so-called parents, they need to be severely punished to the fullest extent of the law. Mostly, I am outraged at what they did but I am also angry at them because they just helped make our people - Mexicans and Mexican-Americans - look bad. Way to help end racism and bigotry, Ms. Moreno and Mr. Sandoval. You only helped make the ignorant bigots on this thread feel more right about the way they think of the rest of us who aren't thieves and horrible parents. Most of us work hard for what we have and are proud to teach our children to love and respect this country and its just laws. You two need to be deeply and profoundly ashamed of yourselves as parents and as human beings. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:18 AM:

" To just do it. There was a case just recently where a school valedictorian was going to be deport back to a European country, so guess what, he was caucasian, not hispanic, so it proves that our system tries to work, if illegal then deport. But then everyone jumps up and says we can't deport the illegals because they are here working jobs we won't do. That is completely false, there are Americans that will do any job, (now a joke), after all look at all the lawyers that we have (end of joke).
To BJMallory, your post is good until I got to the part of you being upset that the Mexican/ Mexican-American image was dirtied. I wish that we could all get away from making 2nd class citizens of anyone, either you are American or you are not. You may have a different cultural/race background then me, but I want to be treated just as equally as an American as you should. I don't get to say that I am Heinz57- American and have my own month to celebrate it. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:09 PM:

" RE:BJ Mallory, There are a lot of Mexicans and Mexican-American people out there who are good people(my parents are one couple). Just like every Caucasian out there in Kings County are good people, too. It's just the people on this board who feel that they are too good so they can judge others. People like N.Hanford resident, Deport them both, Scott D, etc., probably never did a decent thing in thier life, are covered by people who lead good lives and teach their kids something valuable. Now, if you watch an episode of Cops, the people being aressted are generally 85% black and white. Something is wrong here. And it's with the people with the negative things to say. "

Mr. Truth wrote on Jul 16, 2008 2:35 PM:

" Why is there a need to be racist?
The parents are bad parents....it doesn't matter what color they are...It's very sad that a county like ours is suffering from this type of child-raising.
I remember seeing parents using their kids to be 'lookouts' while the parents shoplifted.
If I had done what these kids did when I was young...and gone home and told my parents.....something VERY DIFFFERENT would have happened.
It would have involved repaying for my part of the damage and a public apology...plus I would have to face the dreaded Hot Wheels track to my butt.
We have changed as a society...'can't spank your kids' "

avenal resident wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:05 PM:

" It doesn't matter whether these kids were black or white, I use white since even hispanics are classed as white in my book, what they did was wrong. And what the parents did was also wrong.

The only way to teach them right from wrong is by starting at an early age and being consistent with that training. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:10 PM:

" NotHomeGrown, I agree. I wish we could get away from hearing about something bad happening and then when it's revealed that it was a person of color that did it, especially if it's a Mexican American or Mexican immigrant, all the idiot bigots start yelling for deportation and stricter immigration laws and posting the same tired diatribe about how there would be no crime if we locked down the borders. I bet the Native Americans wish they'd had stricter immigration policies way back when the first non-natives landed. I know - let's not stop with the Mexicans, let's send EVERYONE whose ancestors came her ILLEGALLY, back to their countries of origin. Since I'm half Mexican and half Native American (Tachi, Fernandeno Tataviam and Shoshone) and this is California, chances are, I'd get to stay. I wonder how many of the moronic posters on this board like "Mexicans" would be gone? And NHG, why did you like my post until I mentioned that I am Mexican-American? What's wrong with that? If you're white and proud, cool! Unless you're wearing a sheet, it's fine w/ me. :) "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 16, 2008 5:57 PM:

" Here. Now the crime rate will go down even further. You should all rejoice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080716/ap_on_re_us/canal_accident;_ylt=Aq9szzuP7BADlrC6SGMatuEXIr0F "

Marty Dover wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Mrs D. You should just stop blogging. Your last statement about Scott D never doing anything good in life has a god like complex. Here is some information for you. Your are not GOD! So stop judging people you don't know. I know Scott D. He's a good hard working man. He served his country in time of war. He has raised two fine sons. One is a Doctor and the other is an Army Officer like his father. Did I fail to mention to you that he is African American! I remember you denied him of his heritage last week in a blog that you where ranting and raving about. Stop the hate and get some help. "

Melissa wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:44 AM:

" Who said they were undocumented? I didn't see that in the story?
Well, I think it is a shame that stupid kids would ruin the school they arrend...do they not want to become educated? Do they not want to succeed in society? It is our jobs as parents to ensure that our children are able to succeed in America. To be good citizens. I don't see why we don't arrest more parents when their children commit crimes. The bigger crime is that the children lose out on a brighter future. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:19 PM:

" RE:BJMallory, There won't be a bottle of White Zifandel left in Save Mart after these people read that story. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:01 PM:

" To BJ Mallory, it wasn't that I was "really" upset that you mentioned anything about your heritage, but rather that I was trying to make a point, that all leagal residents should be called only American, since that is where we live. Keep your culture at home and group events, but at all other times act American. I am not sure that I should be deported either, as my family immigrated legally after the civil war, so don't hold me responsible for slavery or wiping out the indeginous people. I also believe that I have some of Qunnah Parker's blood flowing through me, if you don't know him then Google or Wikipedia him. Please don't be offended by the following either, as it seems my native american blood came from a squaw and not an "Indian Princess". Are you sure of your heritage, the reason I ask is that there was a big article about one of the Casino tribes down near San Diego voting out tribe members due to questionable tribal linkage.
Sure be proud of who you are and what makes you who you are, but first please be an American. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:41 PM:

" I agree completely with NotHomeGrown.

If we are citizens, we all are American citizens first and foremost.

That is what binds us together - or should. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:17 AM:

" Oh I know you weren't upset w/ me NHG, it's all good, no worries. We're just debating.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure about my Tachi heritage, since my father's uncle was CHIEF of the tribe in Lemoore during the 60's. My grandmother, who died when I was an infant, was a member of the Barrios family and was from the Santa Rosa Rancheria. I have legal documentation in my possession in the form of birth certificates that prove my lineage. I'm not "registered" with the tribe, nor do I receive any of the money (unless I go to the Palace and win it, LOL) that registered tribe members receive. I keep contacting the tribal office for information on getting registered but they keep ignoring me. Oh well, I don't need "registration" to know what blood flows through my veins. I am, however, a registered member of the Fernandeno Tataviam tribe. The name means "people facing the sun" and they are from the Southern California area. I am related to that tribe on my mother's side. There is some Shoshone in there, too from her side. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:22 AM:

" Mr. Truth, sounds like we were raised in a similar fashion! No hot wheels track to my butt - we got the dreaded belt and I don't hold anything against my mother for doing it. She only resorted to the belt when we totally deserved it and she is to be commended for keeping our little butts in line. She never one time abused me and it's thanks to her and my strict grandmother that to this day I've never seen the inside of a jail cell or the back seat of a police car. If I had done something like these kids did and disgraced my family and myself that way, I think they would have taken turns with that belt on me and then let the police haul me away. And GOOD FOR THEM (mom & grandma) for instilling that fear in my head! "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:33 AM:

" Alejandro, I agree. I was raised to be proud of being an American. To this day, my Spanish sucks because my grandmother, who helped raise me and speaks PERFECT English, demanded that we be raised to speak this county's language well. It is racists comments and actions by bigoted fools that raises my ire. They are too ignorant to know that their words and actions only compel non-indigenous people to hold on that much tighter to their own instead of embracing the ways and language of this, their adopted country. Everyone that descends from immigrants needs to remember their ancestors all came here from elsewhere in search of a better life. Most of them were treated badly. Why must we treat our fellow human beings this way? In my opinion, anyone that does that, especially in the name of "patriotism", figuratively cloaking themselves with the American flag, are disrespecting that flag and their country just as much as someone who would stomp and burn it in the street.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:37 AM:

" Fred, my man, it's "Polka Dot". "Poke a Dot"...that kind of changes the whole visual for me. LOL that was pretty funny, thanks for the laugh.

Ay, chihuahua, Al, it's "huevos". "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:35 PM:

" To BJMallory, thank you for taking and reading my posts and not blasting about something in them. Sometimes the brain works faster than the fingers on the keyboard. I was not exactly trying to get your lineage, but rather trying to point out that one tribe down South has been expelling long time members from their tribe due to questionable family lineage, that was my point, not trying to challenge you on what you stated. As long as all of us are related to Pochohantas, I don't think that I am. I too used to face the "this is going to hurt me more than you" as my father brought the belt down. No permanent physical scars on the backside, but hopefully some scars of learning right and wrong. If we did that to our kids now, though it would be us going to jail and not them. Sometimes I gould just go on and on, but then I would be like my fellow thinker WatchDogFred, we share a lot of common beliefs. "

Agree with Al wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Al, I have noticed the same trend as you that's why My family and I are packing up and moving, This town is in very serous trouble with its racism, It seams like every article that comes up someone has to bring up Hispanics..Remember next time you eat fruit it was a good chance it was those "Hispanics" you talk about that picked it! "




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