gaucho mom wrote on Jul 8, 2008 2:44 PM:
" President Bush said that if they asked us to leave, we would leave. We'll see. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 8, 2008 7:12 PM:
" The Sentinel says:
"But at some point, ready or not, the training wheels have to come off."
When does the paper recommend withdrawal the vast U.S. presence in the rest of the world?
As of September, U.S. military personnel were stationed in 149 countries. These are the top bases and the year of original deployment:
Iraq 218,500* (2003)
Germany 57,080 (1945)
Japan 32,803 (1945)
South Korea 27,014 (1950)
Afghanistan 25,240 (2001)
Italy 9,855 (1955)
United Kingdom 9,825 (1941)
Djibouti 2,100 (2001)
Turkey 1,594 (1951)
* In and around Iraq
Source: U. S. Defense Department "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:10 PM:
" I want all you folks to remember this request when Maliki's Government becomes under siege. If that is the Iraqi leader's sentiment then I think possibly July 18th should be sufficient notice for him to take over responsibility for all of his territories. But with a provision sink or swim this is it the American public spend no more money or manpower on their situation If Maliki is taken out in a military action after we depart, he made this decision.
Bring our brave and valant forces home and give them the entitled rest they have been long overdue to receive. If the zone gets too hot they can always call Iran/Syria for help. Iran is just waiting to take over where Saddam left off, have you forgotten how many of their citizens he killed in the war? Iran wants those oil reserves so bad they can taste them and more than likely will get them shortly after our departure. That is my forecast on the Middle East.
We don't need Iraq to launch an attack on Iran, we have the capability at sea to do that very effectively. "
jeff wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:47 AM:
" I’m confused Fred, you have always said – up until now – that we need to stay there as long as it takes to protect us from future terrorist attacks but now you advocate pulling out? Why the flip flop? "
The Anti Right Winger wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:26 PM:
" I think that it is time to begin looking at all US bases throughout the world and determine the continued need in each case. As a nation we cannot afford to continue paying out billions of dollars per year to defend nations who can afford to defend themselves.
Dwight D. Eisenhower in his final address as President said;
"Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield."
Our current and future Presidents should keep this in mind when setting the foreign policy course of the nation. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:55 PM:
" Hmmmm…where have I heard this before….Oh yeah!
“Dandre wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:38 AM:
" You want FACTS? Chew on these...
3 out of 4 Iraqi citizens want the United States OUT of their country TOMMORROW!……. “
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Hey, Jeff and Anti-Right Winger,
The righties all have that Alfred E Newman look on their face now!
O.I.L. Operation Iraqi Liberation!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
The oil companies have got their fangs back in the Iraqi oil fields and that's all that matters.
IRAN sat back and let these fools do their bidding and Malaki, his Iranian buddies and halliburton and the family are all laughing all the way to the bank. "
civil war wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:56 PM:
" If we pull out now the country will fall into a civil war. No doubt about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs wake up. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:43 PM:
" It HAS BEEN a civil war for 1300 years! the neighborhoods have been 'ethnically cleansed' and millions have been displaced and the administration brags that the violence has gone down!
We went into that country for the OIL and because of george w bush's 'dry-drunk' ego and it was supported by a web of lies PERIOD
the rest is propaganda "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 12, 2008 1:18 AM:
" ...Unless you have been there and ACTUALLY spoken tot he people, you are getting your information from the liberal media. The fact is the people say they WANT us there until the security situation is stable, and the Government can function on its own. Iran is already presnet in Iraq, under the guise of the Mahdi militia, AKA
Al-Sadr. We leave too early, Iran will make a move on Iraq (they are already trying) and we will be back. There is no way we can let Iran dominate the middle east...There would be no stability . I agree, we need to leave as soon as we can, but not until the right conditions are set. Its a liberal pipe dream to say lets go now without thinking through the second and third order effects of doing so now. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 12, 2008 1:53 PM:
" What PEOPLE are you talking about ?
75% of the Iraqi people have wanted us out for months and the propaganda machine keeps paying those contracts.
What 'liberal media' are you talking about? GE, FAUX, Disney????
The SHIA are already present in Iraq 'under the guise' of the Sadr Army, who are Iraqi's....
you sound like mccain, bush and the rest of the confused neo-cons who can't tell the difference between Sunni and Shia and who have been wrong about every phase of this 'so called' war! "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 13, 2008 1:11 AM:
" ...OK Dandre, have you been there and actually spoken to ANY Iraqi citizen whatsoever? Im guessing NO, so where are you getting all of your "correct" information? "
Dandre wrote on Jul 13, 2008 4:18 PM:
" Well, actually, Oracle, in the last couple of years I have read hundreds of Iraqi blogs and communications that have reinforced my position on the realities of this war and the propaganda being pumped out by the corporate lapdogs.
There are dozens of polls that have been taken over the years that show Iraqis overwhelmingly despise the American presence and most of them want the troops out.
Last year, there were polls of Iraqis saying 66% thought it was o.k. to shoot an American, that’s leaving the hard way!
McClatchy News is one source that was reporting the ‘truth’ about the so-called intelligence for war from the beginning and there are several other news sources that are a little more objective then faux news and GE.
On the base of the famous ‘pulled down’ statue of Saddam, 2 monthes after the statue was pulled down, someone wrote ‘wars over – GO HOME!’
how many have you talked to? "
to Dandre wrote on Jul 13, 2008 8:34 PM:
" Like most liberals you twist everything when you lack the facts to support your conclusions. Even if you want to call it a civil war right now, you must admit that our troops are maintaining some degree of order and preventing countrywide chaos. I guess if we just pull out and they all kill each other that would be good news to you. Also what damn oil, have we received one drop of oil yet for us from Iraq? I remember Amnesty International crying and crying about all the human and civil rights abuse and violations in Iraq and Afganistan, now Bush goes in and removes Saddam and the Taliban who were absolute scum, and then the liberals want to cry about it and put down Bush. You true liberals want the US to fail in Iraq and you can never admit that Bush did remove many of the worst criminals in the world from both countries. I have not been to Iraq, but I have seen thousands of very happy Iraq people around US soldiers. They love us, and Bush's only mistake is not showing America the good news from Iraq. "
dose wrote on Jul 13, 2008 9:30 PM:
" Alejandro as soon as we star an unneccessary war in Japan then I will agree that we should leave there.
Oracle when was the last time you took a poll in Iraq? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:36 AM:
" In October 2002, before being elected to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama made a speech opposing the Bush Administration's plan to go to war in Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture which would "require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences." To set a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act in January 2007. He opposes funding for the war in Iraq that does not immediately begin the responsible removal of our troops from Iraq, with a clear timeline and end-date for this drawdown.
In otherwords had this legislation passed he would have withheld ammunition, upgraded armor, necessary medical supplies from our troops until they met his demands. Sounds like blackmail to me, what say you Alejandro? By denying our troops what they need to fight it would "bring a responsible end to the war". Contradiction of terms in that statement, don't you think? First you disarm our troops, take away needed fighting tools then you bring a responsible end to the war how many are slaughtered in the process? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:48 AM:
" To Jeff - because this is the first time the government has said they wanted us out, they wanted us to rescue them, free them, capture and kill the villians in their country and now that we are succeeding they want us to pull out. So let's go pull out let the slaughter begin upon their people six months later they will be screaming and crying for us to come back and this time we can say only if you pay for it with your oil supplies and then reenter and finish what was started. We have not even asked of Iraq what we asked of France when we liberated them. We didn't even ask Iraq for enough soil to bury our dead who died fighting for them. They have been returned to American Soil, Thank God. Sometimes you have to let someone stick the knife in their own heart before you can perform open heart surgery on them, at their own peril. If Malaki thinks he has it under control we should withdraw to Kuwait and see what happens? At the risk of another invasion at a later date, "
Dandre wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:51 AM:
" Not another conservative full of 'hyperbole' and 'you're not patriotic' garbage!
The only twisting I see is on the face of this president everytime he lies his way through another press conference.
What OIL?
You haven't been paying attention brother! Halliburton has the servicing contract on the oil fields since the invasion and has collected billions for that fine job - even though they are not pumping now, the American oil companies have just recently been able to get their fangs back in there after Saddam threw them out decades ago, at $50 - $60 a barrel they’ll be pumping soon, but I guess your sources didn't tell you about that, news flash, the Iraqis don't like it!
And I'll tell you what is going to be good news to me and a lot of Iraqis, I might add, is when the neo-cowards and all their lemmings are made irrelevent after this next election.
The republican brand is in trouble.
…. by the way Afghanistan is back to the worlds top heroin producer! Way to go brownie your doin' a heck of a job! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:57 AM:
" To Jeff - if you honestly think that the Iraqi army can hold off the AlQaida and Taliban both who will move in as soon as we pull out. I think the best plan if Malaki feels that way is to concentrate all our forces into Afghanistan and kick the Talibans butt once and for all and finish what we started. Then by that time Maliki should be deep enough into insurgents he will welcome us back with open arms and open pipelines, which is what we need to recoup from this war and our economy right now. But remember we aren't making this about oil now, they are! I want to see the smug look on all the liberal faces when Bush launches a joint effort with Isreal to solve the biggest middle east issue at hand. I bet before he leaves office it will happen. Iran is gonna get spanked count on it. Russia is going to be told we are building a missile defense shield against Iran in the European Theatre like it or not. Have you seen some of the latest weapons out of Isreal? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:06 AM:
" To Jeff - Isreal now has in it's arsenal a troop carrier that is tracked with a device that will take out a launched shoulder launched grenade before it gets within range of the vehicle. All those Russian made shoulder launched weapons are absolutely useless against it. They also have missiles now that can be launched from an aircraft directed to a target, change that target, input new coordinates and take out another entirely different target by simple command. No country has ever had that capability before with a launched missile from an aircraft. The computer brilliance and guidance is in the missile instead of in the launching aircraft. The country of Iran, Russia and all those other trouble makers over there don't know what they are messing with when they mess with Isreal. The moment anything happens in that country you are gonna see American Money, American Jews return to that holy land and fight until the last man stands. They will each and everyone give up their personal wealths in order to help that homeland survive, count on it. Do they have Nuclear weapons, what do you think? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:09 AM:
" To Jeff - Isreal is like that little quiet guy who walks around campus hardly noticed never creates a scene, never looks for trouble. Then one day out of the blue the wrong dude walks up starts messing where he shouldn't be messing and Isreal explodes in a hail of might that destroys that advisery in five days or less. Remember that is how Isreal fights wars, they end quickly and always the victor. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:17 AM:
" To dose' are you kidding me Japan loves us they remember the last time we played cowpoke and samari. They aren't likely to stir up any trouble anytime soon dose, so set back put your shades back over your eyes and finish that nap you were working on.
Not many of the so called world powers learned as much from Hiroshima and Nagasaki as Japan wisely did.
So I won't say we might not get caught with our guard down again, but I bet the retalitory attack is gonna be the best fireworks show you ever saw in your lifetime. We may not be the toughest cookie on the planet but between us and our allies we can whoop up some mean whoopbutt between us all, it was kind of planned that way after WWII. When the United States and Russia were grabbing scientist and technology from Germany and Japan. The Russians totally lost out on Japan McCarthur saw to that. If they would have given Patton his way he would have taken care of Russia too, he wanted to kick their butts back then when it was easier. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:18 AM:
" Oracle wasn't it just last Saturday when John McCain flew you and I to Afghanistan that you took a head count in Iraq? "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:37 AM:
" How many? Hundreds. That answer your question? Its called personal knowledge. I didnt have to read any blogs or watch CNN. I heard it from the mouths of the people who live there. I believe that trumps "reading" about it. "
dose wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Once again LApdog Freddie shows he is unable to keep up with the conversation. Your little tirade to me about Japan completely missed the point I was making. When you have something to say that actually concerns the topic I will get back to you.
Oracle, are you really telling me that you went to Iraq and took a poll of the people who live there? Because we both know that is not true. when you come down from candyland let me know. "
dose wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:06 AM:
" Well I am glad to see that Lapdog Freddie and O.G. approve of U.S. forces continue to occupy a country against their will. It's too bad that bush doesn't agree with them since it has come out that he is planning on pulling out now. I guess bush hates freedom too.
the whole idea that Isreal is the quiet kid in the back of the class that never bothered anyone is laughable. They have commited as much terrorism as anyone, but because they bomb Palestinians fred and og think it is ok. Apparently only some human life is sacred to republicans. "
jeff wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:17 AM:
" Fred, I find your answer puzzling since the government in place when this started never wanted us there. The rest of your yelling and screaming is pointless, I have never advocated pulling out of Iraq now. In fact I have stated in several other discussions with you that I feel we should clean up our mess. How did you forget that? Now if the population truly does want us out and out now then I do say we do leave. The problem is none of the sources in America are credible enough to answer this. I’m wondering how the oracle spoke to hundreds of Iraqi citizens to obtain his insider information? "
Mrs.D wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:42 PM:
" Is the Iraqi government going to pay back the billions of dollars Old Stupid pumped into this war machine to liberate them? Will someone resurrect the dead American soldiers who died for this worthless cause?
And will anyone be able to tell the American public what good came out of all of this?! "
Dandre wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:13 PM:
" Hey, Oracle, look up the word ‘Anecdotal’, your reliance on your ‘personal’ experience is right up the arrogant right wing alley.
How many Shia did you talk to, how about Sunnis and don’t forget the Kurds and hey, there’s 5 million or so that have been scattered to the wind by the invasion that really had to pump up your frequent flyer miles!
And of course any Iraqi with a complaint is welcome at Oracle’s complaint department
You asked for my sources and I gave you the tip of the ‘iceberg’, brother, I posted this before, ‘Anybody that gets their information from one source is a fool.” And you cause a new addition, ‘and if that one source is yourself you are a……You know Oracle, your use of the word ‘Liberal’, demonstrates the lemming mentality of the ‘authoritarian conservative follower’ who can be programmed to regurgitate ‘big lie’ propaganda that ‘demonizes’ the traditional definitions of certain words and phrases. These ‘new’ definitions become ‘code’ to excite the ‘scaredy cat’ part of the ‘follower’s’ brain to keep them in ‘lock step’ and chasing their tale, the ole’ ‘CIRCULAR LOGIC’! "
Dandre wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:15 PM:
" Open your dictionary! There is a reason the words ‘Liberal’ and ‘Liberty’ are so close together, really ticks you guys off doesn’t it….by the way if you are the opposite of me as a ‘Liberal’ that makes you a ‘nazi’
The Ottmeyer Studies are constanly being validated by the ‘tail-chasing’ right and I ain’t talking about Larry Craig or Larry Vitter…..
fred figured out how to spell ‘wikopedia’ and that made him …..?
So fred and oracle flew with Mcbush to the middle east and oracle took a poll and the oracle poll rules!
Somebody needs to quit drinkin’!
Israel, always the victor?
Tell it to Hamas!
If these idiots attack Iran, get ready for $10 a gal!
And I don’t want to hear any ‘whining’ about not being able to go anywhere! "
to Dandre wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:58 PM:
" Related to oil, of course Hal is in there fixing everything who else would you hire? Acme pumping company, do you have a company that could do the work? Why not a qualified American company should we use a Chinese company instead? Hal is clearly the best and this is a huge job. How much oil has been imported to the US since the war started, say it, none, nada, 0. If you are so correct that Iraq hates us, what chance do American Oil companies have there? Your logic that we are in Iraq for their oil is very flawed. The entire region is critical, but we don't need one drop of oil from Iraq and Bush did not go there for their oil he went there to bring order to the entire region, which is sadly too big a job for us given the lack of political support and vision. If you are so informed why don't you ask some of your own neighbors who have been there and go there on a regular basis, I'll trust first hand information from true heroes rather than the gutless liberal media. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:55 PM:
" Everyone,
Oracle and I did not actually travel to Afghanistan with President Bush. I was using the kind of sarcasim only our friend dose can avail to his brain. "
Tim wrote on Jul 15, 2008 6:05 AM:
" May I suggest that in their gratitude, the Iraqis negotiate a settlement with the U.S. to reimburse us for the life and treasure spent for them to gain their freedom from a despot. This money would go toward strenghthening Medicare and Social Security and a fund for military personell or families involved in the conflict. At $130 a barrel, it's a no brainer.The pay-back should be over a short period of time because the idea of a democratic, Islamic state is an oxymoron and I predict Iraq decending into chaos. "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 15, 2008 7:06 AM:
" ...I also would suggest looking at the dictionary and viewing the word "DUNCE" and someones elses screen name that would be close together. All you liberals can spew is the same rhetoric over and over. "Bush lied, No WMD's, Global cooling, errr I mean warming, No drilling offshore while we sit with 5 buck a gallon gas and China and Russia ARE drilling offshore of the US, lets see what else...Liberals are a plague on the earth, a pox on mankind. Take your pet snowy plovers and move to Switzerland with Scott if you like socialism so well. Whatever the cost, patriots will never allow your ilk to sink this country, no matter how hard you try...and try you are. We become more divided everyday...At what point does it become more than politics? Do we allow your socialist ways to move forward? If you see a car crash coming, do you not try and avoid it? In all seriousness, I believe that the division, if not moderated on both sides, can go where we do not want it to ever go. We did that once...called civil war "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:14 AM:
" Socialism? Switzerland? More junk from the Oracle, I see. But that is what we've come to expect from it.
Direct quote from Wikipedia, the source everyone loves to cite:
"Switzerland has a stable, modern, and some of the most capitalist economies in the world."
A call for moderation from the Oracle? Will wonders never cease!! "
jeff wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:28 AM:
" Oracle, stop with the snowy plover already; get a new shtick will ya? Regurgitating the same tired rant over and over again doesn’t make it better each time you spew it. You love how Russia and China are drilling their own oil? I guess you like paying more for gas then the rest of us. Their gas is not cheap. In 2007 when the average in the US was around $2.80 Moscow was paying $2.89 and Hong Kong was paying $6.30. Beijing was doing quite a bit better at $2.44 but compared to our national average of $2.80 drilling your own oil is not a magic answer that will solve the problem. I don’t believe in off-shore drilling but not for environmental reasons. I am against it because it won’t do anything to fix the problem. You call yourself a patriot yet all your beliefs only help out big business, not the people of this country. You hate socialism yet you use socialist/communist countries as your examples of what to follow. China is no Democracy and Russia is a pseudo Democracy at best and even that is recent. In case you haven’t heard China recently raised their price. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:42 AM:
" Hey Scott more bad news about Switzerland, you don't have a choice if you become a citizen, please read on:
Q: Here are some questions about the Swiss National defense system: I have been told, that the Swiss army has erected many underground buildings in the mountains and that all Swiss citizens have a gun at home. Is this true ?
A: It is true that in many mountains cave-like buildings have been erected to serve military purposes. They hold not only arms and all kind of things people may need in case of crises, but even fighter planes.
Every male citizen has to do military service. This starts at the age of 20 and ends when we become 42. During that time, soldiers keep their arms at home, an automatic rifle for simple solders like me, a pistol for officers, plus a couple of bullets in a sealed box. At the age of 42, we have to return the gun, the bullets and all the clothing etc. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:06 PM:
" You only have the right to bear arms in Switzerland until you are 42 years old and everyone knows it is illegal to have a gun once your military service has ended.
Doesn't sound very diplomatic to me, here keep this gun for 20 years in case we are invaded then magically when you turn 42 years of age it's tough luck if the country gets invaded and they come to your house, you can't protect yourself.
Nope I believe in two lines of defense they are calle Smith & Wesson. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:19 PM:
" This meeting took place in 2006 the Iraqi leader seemed to need us and want us then:
We talked about security in Baghdad. No question the terrorists and extremists are brutal. These are people that just kill innocent people to achieve an objective, which is to destabilize his government. The Prime Minister tells me that he and his government are not shaken by these actions. The Iraqi people want to succeed. They want to end this violence. Our strategy is to remain on the offense, including in Baghdad. Under the Prime Minister's leadership, coalition and Iraqi leaders are modifying their operational concept to bring greater security to the Iraqi capital. presence in the neighborhoods, and gradually expand the security presence as Iraqi citizens help them root out those who instigate violence.
This plan will involve embedding more U.S. military police with Iraqi police units to make them more effective. The Prime Minister advised me that to support this plan, he and General Casey have agreed to deploy additional American troops and Iraqi security personnel in Baghdad in the coming weeks. These will come from other areas of the country. Our military commanders "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:26 PM:
" Another direct comment from the President about what Malaki said: "The Prime Minister and I agreed to establish a joint committee to achieve Iraqi self-reliance. This new partnership will seek to ensure the smoothest and most effective assumption of security responsibility by Iraqi forces. Prime Minister Maliki was very clear this morning; he said he does not want American troops to leave his country until his government can protect the Iraqi people. And I assured him that America will not abandon the Iraqi people"
Does this sound like someone who wants us to leave back in 2006? Whoever said the government didn't want us should get an education on how this all started in Iraq?
He has changed his thinking and this next blog will tell you why he has done so, which changes my mind about supporting Iraq.. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:32 PM:
" What kind of allie do you call this guy, all the blood shed, death and cost the Americans have provided to help him and he wants us out because America and Iran have problems. Weren't Iraq and Iran at war not too long ago?\
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq's prime minister said Wednesday he's sure Iran is behind some attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and he won't allow his country to be a battleground for the two nations.
"We have told the Iranians and the Americans, 'We know that you have a problem with each other, but we are asking you, please solve your problems outside Iraq,' " Nuri al-Maliki told CNN.
We don't want the American forces to take Iraq as a field to attack Iran or Syria," he added.
Asked about the role of Iran in Iraq, al-Maliki said he was confident that Iranian influence was behind attacks on U.S. forces. "It exists, and I assure you it exists," he said.
Iranian-U.S. tensions have been ratcheted up recently, with two U.S. officials theorizing about the possibility that Iran was involved in a January 20 attack that killed five U.S. soldiers. "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:35 PM:
" ..Jeff, your on work furlough this week or something? The snowy plover is a symbol of all that is wrong with liberals. It and the spotted owl, delta smelt and kangaroo rat, are a rallying cry against liberal nut jobs who would rather we starve and ride bicycles and watch PBS all day. China and Russia are drilling in international waters off our shores...yet we cant??? They get the oil because why? Liberals want to save the whales or some other nonsensical rubbish? And yes Scott, I believe that rhetoric on both sides needs to be tamed. However, let me ask you..How far are you willing to go to see liberal principles put into place? If you TRULY believe that conservative ideas will ruin the world, as I do liberal ideas will, how far would you go? Thats my point. Somewhere along here, if we are not careful, it will become more than words. It already is, ie eco-terrorism, burning down new homes, etc.. Once started, it will be very difficult to stop. Even your favorite president Clinton agrees on the growing division. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:58 PM:
" Some dogs are intelligent, others are not.
Fred, I am always glad to correct your mistakes, which are numerous and frequent.
While in the Swiss Army, the government LOANS you a gun and other accoutrements. Once your service is over with, the government reclaims its property. Did you get to keep all of your toys when you left the army?
Privately owned guns are legal and many people own guns, pistols, rifles, etc. The Swiss have the legal right to bear arms just as citizens in the US do. My father-in-law, who has completed his military service, owns a rifle, which he uses for hunting in the woods near his home.
Not all males must perform military service. There is an option to peform community service instead.
Once again, you get your facts blatantly wrong, but by now, most of us have come to expect this from you.
If you want to learn more about Switzerland, which has nothing to do with the topic of this forum, write me at scott.tucker@gmx.ch. I will be glad to explain the garbage police and other such intersting tidbits to you. "
jeff wrote on Jul 15, 2008 6:02 PM:
" Oracle, Russia is not drilling anywhere near our shores. China and Cuba have been working on a deal but is has not been finalized. There is much misinformation being spread about this. Even if it were true why should we follow bad behavior? We have only 3 – 4% of the world’s oil on our lands yet we use around 25% of all oil produced in the world. Do you really believe we will find enough oil to have a significant impact? I would prefer we find a new sustainable energy source. If we rely on oil only this whole mess will happen again in another 10 years or so. I don’t know how old you are so maybe you will be dead by then and you don’t care about the future of the country but I will not be close to death in 10 years and would prefer to not have to go through this again. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 8:59 PM:
" Not all males must perform military service. There is an option to peform community service instead.
I knew you had your out figured out already and let me guess you'll serve your community service as a teacher of History.
You brought Switzerland into these conversations long before I did, just ask Alejandro. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:09 PM:
" I could say the same for Swiss Scholars of History Mr. Tucker:
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:58 PM:
" Some dogs are intelligent, others are not.
Fred, I am always glad to correct your mistakes, which are numerous and frequent.
I understand you not wanting to air your garbage in public for everyone to see what a mess you moved to: I will be in touch with you later.
Once again, you get your facts blatantly wrong, but by now, most of us have come to expect this from you.
Once again, you get your facts blatantly wrong, but by now, most of us have come to expect this from you.
Thank Goodness not everyone has the same opinion of me that you do, because they know I have a better percentage of telling truth than you do Scholar. Also a lot better knowledge of a community you fled for a woman. "
dose wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:09 AM:
" U.S. oil companies already have leases on 60 plus million acres of land that they are doing nothing with, so why do they need more land that they will not drill on. Also about 70% percent of the curent oil that is drilled in America is exported to other countries. We could cure much of our problem simply by stopping these practices. But instead of doing something practical republicans want to drill for oil that may or may not be there. "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:30 AM:
" Let me get this straight...Its "BAD BEHAVIOR" for us to drill for our own oil???? Whats kind of thinking is that? We should be totally dependent on others oil for our safety, security and economy? Please, educate all of us on the liberal position on oil drilling? Why is it bad to drill for our OWN oil? Even your own words say "find" oil. If we dont look, then we dont know how much is there. I just cannot believe that people can spout this crap about not going after our own resources....All in the time of nearly 5 buck a gallon gas. But alas, its another self correcting problem, like immigration. When our economy tanks due to no oil, or when Kalifornia goes bankrupt due to illegals and social services, only then will people DEMAND it be corrected...THen stand by and get out of the way. All your liberal principles will go right out the window when people are hungry or have no gas...Simple as that. I love the "we cant drill our way out of this." Well if we DONT drill, we sure wont know will we? "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:32 AM:
" Fred, Politics and ideology aside, here is some advice for you that will help us readers better understand your comments.
You see these: " "
They are called quotation marks.
Learn to use them correctly. "
jeff wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:43 AM:
" Well Oracle would you prefer stupid behavior? No, we should not be dependent on foreign countries; did you read what I said? Are you capable of understanding English? I said we should find a new sustainable source of energy. If you aren’t aware there is nuclear, coal, natural gas, solar, wind and hydrogen energy. Oil is not the only thing available. I’ve already stated in two comments why drilling is a bad idea. If you are incapable of reading and understanding our language, it is not my problem. Your lack of understanding is enormous. "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:53 PM:
" Well Jeff, my education came from somewhere else besides online incarceration courses. As far as understanding english, yes...I can spell FELON, UNCHARGED, SUSPECT...You may recognize those words...or not..depending if you can comprehend what I am writing. Now do you wish to stay on topic, or shall we discuss your criminal record that you saw fit to brag about to all of us in past postings? I really would rather stay away from the direct attacks and spar over the topics....But, if you really want to go there, stand by for the dogpile all over again my friend. I and others have told you this over and over..your posts are continually condescending and attacking in nature. Debate the topic..spar over the facts..but dont be surprised if people respond to your negative attacks. People wouldnt accept your verbage in person, what makes you think they will accept it in written form? Never say to someone on a blog, what you wouldnt say face to face...That keeps it somewhat civil. I disagree with Scott, but its not personal..you tend to go there first...Maybe you growing up will fix it "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:59 PM:
" To Scott Tucker Swiss Army Soldier
"We have told the Iranians and the Americans, 'We know that you have a problem with each other, but we are asking you, please solve your problems outside Iraq,' " Nuri al-Maliki told CNN.
We don't want the American forces to take Iraq as a field to attack Iran or Syria," he added.
Asked about the role of Iran in Iraq, al-Maliki said he was confident that Iranian influence was behind attacks on U.S. forces. "It exists, and I assure you it exists," he said.
Iranian-U.S. tensions have been ratcheted up recently, with two U.S. officials theorizing about the possibility that Iran was involved in a January 20 attack that killed five U.S. soldiers. "
Scott do you see those two little marks under the word To and do you see them here at the end of this sentence above they are quotation marks. They look like this " "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:00 PM:
" Hey Scott,
Quick question:
What does the price per gallon (liter) of petrol go for in Switzerland?
And what is the exchange rate there currently for euros to dollars?
That would be interesting for us to compare Kings County to the new world order of global economy. "
jeff wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:14 PM:
" Oracle, everything you said is meaningless to me. Talk about anything you want, do you really think anything you have said is threatening? I’m a suspect? In what case is the HPD actively looking for me exactly? Please by all means print my ‘Criminal Record’. A blank comment from you would be extremely refreshing. You’re right when I talk to bigots and people filled with hatred I do speak condescendingly and in an attacking nature. If your sensitivity can’t handle it then stop talking to me. I could care less if you accept what I say. I am not trying to be your friend. I am trying to show how your thinking is archaic, enervated and backwards. If you don’t like appearing as if you don’t understand English then I suggest you cease asking people to explain simple concepts to you over and over again. Try reading some of Fred’s and Alejandro’s comments. Are you trying to tell me they are not condescending or attacking in nature? Look at the one directly below yours. Let me guess, you don’t consider language inappropriate when you agree with the person saying it? "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:42 PM:
" Fred, nice copy and paste job. It is easy to use quotation marks when they are already part of the text that you are copying and pasting. You get an "B+" for effort, though. Now that you are getting used to quotation marks, you should move on to commas. Commas are also great for making texts easier to comprehend. After commas, we will cover run-on sentences.
Alejandro, if you want current exchange rates, www.oanda.com is a good site to use. Right now 1 Euro is worth 1.594 US Dollars. However, in Switzerland, we use Swiss Francs. If you want to know the Franc/Dollar or Franc/Euro rate, I am sure you can figure it out, if you are so inclined.
As for gas rates in Switzerland, current prices for one liter of unleaded fuel are around 2.00 Swiss Francs. The value of the Franc and the Dollar are about equal, which means that gas here costs around $2.00/liter. There are ca. 3.79 liters/gallon, which means that the Swiss are paying about $7.60 for one gallon of unleaded fuel. Does that help you with your new world order fantasy? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:32 PM:
" To Scott Tucker future Swiss Army Knife Soldier of Fortune,
"Now that you are getting used to quotation marks, you should move on to commas. Commas are also great for making texts easier to comprehend. After commas, we will cover run-on sentences".
Run on sentence, doesn't that equate; to your diahrea of the mouth? That you suffer from?
Oh, goody, when do I get to have Alejandro; show you how to be a combat veteran? "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 AM:
" Jeff, if everything I said is meaningless to you, may I suggest an english comprehension class. It may help with you understanding what people write. As to your "criminal record", YOU stated that you are an uncharged felon, burglarizing homes, vandalizing property and assaulting people. None of us here accused you of anything. You were kind enough to volunteer that information all by yourself. You say HPD looking for you? Would you care to elaborate for us where you DID commit these crimes you say you did? I would be happy to forward your information to the appropriate agency. Maybe in the name of personal responsibility that all good liberals espouse, you come forward and clear these crimes up with law enforcement. But I dont think you will. Your smugness and arrogance come through in your writings. As you said, you were never caught, yet you come to a news blog and bragged about it. You have had ZERO credibility since that day. Im guessing that even your fellow liberal bloggers wouldnt be caught having coffee with you. "
jeff wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:41 AM:
" Oracle, if you’re only argument at this point (Since I’ve completely destroyed your previous one) is to keep talking about me being a felon you really should just stop talking. It’s quite apparent to everyone that you have lost and now you’re acting like a child who was told he can’t have his desert before dinner. I realize that you Fred and Alejandro think once you’ve been proven wrong the next logical move is to change the subject but when you debate with thoughtful, logical thinking people that doesn’t work.
For someone who claims to understand our language you sure have a lot of trouble with context and an abysmal understanding of the question mark. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:18 PM:
" Dandre' if your statement is true then why is gasoline over $4.50 per gallon, if we have access to all this oil in Iraq?
Dandre wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:43 PM:
" It HAS BEEN a civil war for 1300 years! the neighborhoods have been 'ethnically cleansed' and millions have been displaced and the administration brags that the violence has gone down!
We went into that country for the OIL and because of george w bush's 'dry-drunk' ego and it was supported by a web of lies PERIOD
the rest is propaganda " "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:03 PM:
" No, it's not my fantasy, Scott - it's your reality in your adopted country, too. As a teacher you should know that.
See: the WTO is in Geneva, Scott.
"The stated aim of the World Trade Organization (WTO) is to promote free trade and stimulate economic growth. Some people argue that free trade leads to a divergence instead of convergence of income levels within rich and poor countries (the rich get richer and the poor get poorer). WTO treaties have also been accused of a partial and unfair bias toward multinational corporations and wealthy nations."
(source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization) "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:17 PM:
" ALEJANDRO GOOD POST THEY HATE IT WHEN WE PUT THE FACTS UNDER THEIR NOSE THEIR COMPUTER SCREENS QUIVER EVERYTIME IT HAPPENS.
I love it when a plan comes together, Scott and dandre' the shiss army soildier and the army grunt make a good team of disinformation. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:45 PM:
" News flash
wikopedia has had extraordinary increase in viral attacks by 'mental midgets' and will be downgrading their definitions to accomodate the brain damage. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:54 PM:
" Scott, Jeff, Dose, Ms D, etal, notice how far off topic the 'shill brothers' have taken this thread.
When they have run out of garbage to throw they look for a new trash can.
Being able to spell 'wikopedia' is not an accomplishment...........for most "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 19, 2008 3:53 AM:
" dandre" who's eating al?
Scott, Jeff, Dose, Ms D, etal,
Are you referring to the Environmental Genus that Barak Hussein Obama was tryiing to recruit. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 19, 2008 4:01 AM:
" I think we should just open up offshore drilling manufacture all the oil we can and then export, export, export driving the price down to $20 a barrel and bust the foreign market wide open. We could drill off shore meet all our needs and sell what's left to China and eliminate the Middle East all together. Then we could start buying all our mini marts back, hotels and all the mom and pop businesses that have been sold off. Whata ya think fellow Americans? Give them a dose of their own medicine for a change. We could even then start buying out all the market places over seas and replace all the made in china stuff with made in america, because then we could afford to become a producing country again. Oh and for all those businesses who moved elsewhere to save money put a large tariff tax on imports to the United States and force them back up here where they belong. For the auto dealer's the one's actually building manufacturing plants here not shutting them down we will buy American. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:18 PM:
" NEWS FLASH
Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 19, 2008 4:07 PM:
" Perhaps the ever-vigilant Duane Andre is referring to this:
"The Shill Brothers Circus in the 40's and 50's."
Or perhaps it's that ethnocentric name for the Obama Fist-Bump?
Thanks Duane! You the Man! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 20, 2008 8:45 PM:
" Careful Duane, you are gonna blow your man's Christian cover. Of Course the PM buys his plan they are muslim brothers hence the middle name Borak "Hussien" Obama, one day the truth will come out, and then what? Did you forget who Obama's father was, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Mom and Dad met at a rally in Hawaii, imagine that?
If you are so certain about your acusations abourt Iraq why was Bush and the Prime Minister of Great Britian able to put together a coalltion of troops once again to topplie the Iraqi Leadership? Your ideas and blogs which you still haven't listed are having backflash halluncinations perhaps left over from your 1960's era of your nine decades. I find it ironic that Obama's middle name and Saddam's last name are synonemous. Perhaps that isn't where the story ends, another young politician spoke the same kind of rhetoric, their country was in a war it didn't want to be in, mass casualties to their troops fighting a war that wasn't valid, fighting a war that had no victory only defeat, he was speaking of WWI Adolph Hitler. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 20, 2008 8:57 PM:
" Careful Duane, sometimes you get what you wanted and find out it isn't what you really wanted. Germany is where my ancestors come from people use to show up by the thousands to listen to some nobody little Corporal give these heart wrenching speeches. In fact everytime he spoke the crowd increased, he made promises to the people of Germany that they would once again walk with their heads held high and prouod of their homesland. He said that former leaders had destroyed their country by over spending on a senseless needless war. He said that the former leaders had lost track of the day to day problems of the regular people who made up the population of Germany. He promised them a "People's Car" for transportation so they could tour all of Europe. The word Volkswagon in the translation effectively means "People's Car". So continue to watch your candidate gather the masses but keep in mind what I've said here today in the event your hero is elected President of the United States. I still say the best plan in the world is a successful economy in this country. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 20, 2008 9:12 PM:
" Now that George Bush has announced a troop withdrawal in Iraq and a build up or surge in Afgahnistan, Obama rushed to Afghanistan this weekend to take credit for it. "He although in a group of Senators on a fact finding mission gave every indication of being a "Democratic Presidential Candidate". If that is the case I think the cost of the trip should come out of his campaign finances instead of our tax dollars. You people on the left clearly don't see what is happening with troop movements in the Middle East. Get out your little map of the Middle East now look where Afghanistan is and where Iraq is and now look directly in the center of those two countries and what do you see, Iran. Now look where Kuwait and Turkey are, can you say surrounded. Also check out the Pershian Gulf and Dubai, along with the Arab Emirates who are all our allies and have allowed us to establish bases there. Now tell me do you think the President is serious about elminiating the Nuclear threat in Iran one way or another? Stay tuned! "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:14 AM:
" Fred, I am glad to see that you can effectively locate countries on a map, because it seems that your hero cannot. McCain still thinks that Czechoslovakia is a country and just this morning on Good Morning America he was quoted as saying, "We have a lot of work to do [...] particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border.” That's right, he thinks that Czechoslovakia, which ceased to exist 15 years ago, is still a unified country and that Iraq borders Pakistan. So much for all of that foreign policy experience that he is purportedly supposed to have. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 21, 2008 4:39 PM:
" Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:14 AM:
" Fred, I am glad to see that you can effectively locate countries on a map, because it seems that your hero cannot.
Yeah well at least when McCain goes abroad he meets with Presidents/Rulers of countries not the city mayors who only control their little villa.
Big surprise! They have a globe in the war room, I'm sure he can handle it. They both came out on the marriage proposition "#8" this morning did you hear about that as well.
McCain says yes and Borak Hussien Obama says no, yes, maybe but with special circumstances. Typical Junior first term Senator hogwash. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:31 PM:
" Fred, Misquoting me again, I see. Remember our little lesson about using quotation marks correctly? If you are going to quote someone, those little marks at the beginning of the quotation must also appear at the end of the quotation. Otherwise people will attribute all of your "eloquent" prose to me. We don't want that to happen, now do we? (My use of quotations marks here signifies something else. We will get to that at a later date.)
Also, you might want to learn to spell Obama's name correctly, because come January next year, it will be preceded by the word President. Let me help you: B-A-R-A-C-K H-U-S-S-E-I-N O-B-A-M-A "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 21, 2008 7:02 PM:
" "city mayors who only control their little villa"
Is that how you refer to Afgan PRESIDENT Hamid Karzai and Iraqi PRIME MINISTER Nuri al-Maliki? Well, that explains a lot about your understanding of the situation in both Iraq and Afganistan.
Obama is planning to visit at least one villa during his trip. It is called the Palais de l'Elysée, is located in Paris, and is where French PRESIDENT Sarkozy resides. And last I checked, Angela Merkel is the CHANCELLOR of Germany. I thought you had German roots, Fred. Did you forget so soon that the office of Bundeskanzler/in is not equal to that of Bürgermeister/in?
Maybe you and McCain have been getting your talking points from the same out-dated books. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:05 PM:
" Well, Scott, concerning your adopted country, this bears posting here also:
"28 March 07 - Switzerland has distanced itself from a hard-hitting report by Doudou Diène, the United Nations special rapporteur on racism, which accuses it of racist tendencies."
(Source: http://www.humanrights-geneva.info/Switzerland-Answers-Racism-Charges,1399)
Do you fervently blog, post in forums, demonstrate, or write protest letters criticizing your chosen country? Do your wife and her family resent the United Nations labeling her country a racist entity?
And what about Swiss money laundering and tax-evading UBS charges of international corruption?
A new Islamic private bank is going to be set up in Switzerland . . . many Arabs, including
members of the Saudi royal family, have Swiss residences. I wonder why?
And how about Switzerland awarding that multibilliondollar contract to Iran for gas?
Scott, your current homeland needs your expert opinions and incisive input to balance these facts.
How ever do you find the time to criticize the America and spellcheck patriotic posters here like the Watchdog?
Plate not full enough at home, ‘teach'? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:16 PM:
" According to Scott Tucker: A name that shall live in the history books: Let me help you: B-A-R-A-C-K H-U-S-S-E-I-N O-B-A-M-A "
As I said the apple does not fall too far from the tree his father was an activist and so is he in sheeps clothing.
You never know what your gonna get until you get it. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:41 AM:
" So much for all of those wonderful torture methods that many of you proudly support. As the AP has reported, the judge in the GITMO war crimes trial decided yesterday that the prosecution “cannot use as evidence some statements the defendant gave interrogators because they were obtained under ‘highly coercive’ conditions.” Those activist judges, who dare to do their job, make me sooooo angry!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:57 AM:
" Scott Tucker - just as I stated yesterday it is being reported on The Fan that Obama is taking credit for sending troops to Afghanistan. Obama is quoted as saying; "I had no idea of the change in Iraq, I must realign my plans for withdrawal and rethink my position, but we do need to withdraw troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan". Which is the stated poicy of George Bush and his comments about not having any idea of the change shows he is not prepared as a Commander and Chief. Furthermore, It demonstrates that McCain's pushing President Bush into the SURGE worked. So in many Republican Minds this trip shows that McCain and Bush were both right and Obama was wrong. He protested the additional troops and said; "It will never work", according to an old file photo op Obama had made.
So continue to have those visions of Sugar Plums, but I think that it is gonna be more like an aged cider that wins the White House this time around. John McCain for President. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:02 AM:
" Scott Tucker - the comment about the dated books, we all know you are keeping up with all that's going on in Kings County and will vote on it right!
Well according to the Elections Office you are not eligible to vote on any issue in King's County or the City of Hanford, because you have to be a current resident of the area. So if you've managed a sideline such a requirement, as using someone else's address you are in violation of election laws and are breaking the law. Which if caught, could cost you your teaching credentials. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:07 AM:
" Scott Tucker - However, Obama's plan is working, he is getting a lot of attention this week. But how many weeks are there until we step into the voting booths? Arnold impressed everyone with his hero image and it got him reelected, but did he really make a good Governor? I don't think so, we have a deficit instead of a surplus, teachers overall hate him for what he has done to education while in office. Remember the money he borrowed from education and never returned? Now he wants to borrow future lottery dollars. Is it that same advance thinking in Obama that draws you to him or do you feel he is the lesser of two evils. All I can tell you about McCain is this is not his first "dog fight" and he still has alot of weapons left. He's been shot down once it isn't likely to happen again. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 22, 2008 4:21 PM:
" A-jo: Wow, you are asking "liberal" questions. Amazing. Trying to change the subject again?
Yes, I am aware of the Swiss "Republicans" and the problems they cause. Yes, I write in Swiss forums. Yes, I demonstrate here - the capitol building is only a few blocks from my apartment. Yes, I am aware that there are stupid people everywhere, including Switzerland.
Thanks for your concern and constant man-love. As always, I am flattered. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 22, 2008 4:46 PM:
" Fred: You must have been speaking to an unreliable source once again, because every person at the Kings County Elections Office that I have ever spoken to has assured me that my voting eligibility in Kings County is valid. Here are four letters for you to look up: FPCA.
As far as teaching credentials are concerned: I teach in Switzerland and have Swiss teaching credentials. Tell me, sage, according your expertise, will I lose those? Will you fly here to Bern and take them away from me? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM:
" Newsmax paste continued
These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.
John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.
McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance — and hit it hard. "
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